John77

Hi, just looking for a bit of advice for my first cycle.

For the first cycle im planning on using sust/deca/dbols (10 -12 week cycle).

I have not yet ordered any of these as i would like some advice first of all before doing so and would also like some advice on PCT as i know of ppl who dis-regard this and i dont want to be in the same boat as them when things go wrong.

22yrs old, 12st having been training for 3-4 yrs

All advice would be appreciated as id rather not rush into buyin the gear and messing things up. I want to make sure that im doing this right and by the book so to speak before i buy!!

bb the great

you have come to the right place.

most people will reccomend doing just 1 compound for your first cycle.i would suggest test. It will show you how your body reacts. If you were to take the 3 you listed above, you wouldnt be able to tell which one works for you which could hinder your gains and future progress. keep it simple

PCT is very important. read the sticky thread at the top of this forum 'understanding PCT' by hackski and see where that gets you.

welcome to the sight mate

Vemar

Maybe 22 yr is a bit early, i would put two more years under my belt...but if you're going to do it anyway my advice would be to keep it simple...350mg-500mg of test enathate for 8-10 weeks will do just fine. I like to keep nolvadex just in case water retention becomes an issue.
PCT 5 days from your last injection use HCG for 2/3 weeks and then start with Clomid. This is how i do and it always worked good for me, anyway for PCT have a read to the Understanding PCT.

John77

So you would definetely recommend using the one compound first time round?
Ive noticed that the 2 replies both suggest using test enat, would this be a better choice instead of sust??

Also ive read hackskiis understanding pct and would like to hear what kind of doses that you'd recommend with regards to hcg and clomid, would u advise using nolvadex throughout the cycle also?

Cheers bb and vemar, the help and advice is really appreciated

Jimmy

imo dbol only is a great start

read this

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-t...-6th-june.html

my old training ptner tried this but he did 30mg/day 1 week on/off

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John77

Im not to sure about starting off with just d-bol as ive heard that u can lose a lot of the gains when u come off it.

As for test as a first cycle, would this be more recommended that sust??

ALso would like to hear what kind of doses etc for PCT as mentioned in above post.

Cheers

Jimmy

you will lose no more on dbol, than test

go with what ever you want but dbol is a perfect first drug

and no injections needed

i gained 19lbs on my first ever cycle of dbol over 10 weeks back in '95

i took 4 weeks off and held 14 lbs while off

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John77

What kind of PCT would u recommend on d-bol as im lookin to do an 8-10 week cycle.

Would mg would you recommend as well??

Cheers for the advice jimmy

Jimmy

lol

there was no such thing as pct in those days....only used clen between cycles

i have never done pct myself

but the standard clomid/nolv pct seems best i have heard

do a search, or ask hackskii or pscarb

i used an out dated pyramid method where you start at 20mg, bulding up over the weeks to 50mg, then back to 20mg by week 10

it worked though, out dated or not....the more i think on it, the better it seems

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joepeeps

If using d-bol only as a first cycle at a relatively low dose..20-30 mg per day is it better to go with clomid or nolvadex for pct??

i keep reading conflicting advice about this...

weseastham

Do some seraching mate. Dbol only threads are all over this place.

John77

Dunno if that last post directed at me or joepeeps, but nonetheless i have searched the forum on various cycles and had originally planned to go with what i said on the first post until it was recommended that some ppl normally go for one compound on their first cycle. Ive now been told that i can go either way with test or d-bols as a first cycle and am now wanting some advice on either cycle with advice on PCT for each also.

weseastham

Both would be a good start mate. Dbol is easy to use and dirt cheap, test will form the basis of any future cycles and has no liver worries attached to it. Have a think if you're ready to use IM or not. If you are, then I'd say test or sust.

hackskii

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joepeeps

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm

That seems to sum it all up quite nicely!