Truewarrior1

so the results came back..


gonadotrophin levels - abnormal

serum fsh level <0.3 (1-10

serum lh level 0.30 (1-10)

serum testosterone 1.9 (10-40)

i have not taken steroids in 6 months and when i did i ran pct with nolva and HCG.im going to an endocrinologist soon,what do you all think of this? oh and btw..im just 19.

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GTT

Speaking from personal experience... i had a year and a half off from bodybuilding due to a hand injury in martial arts, however i personally feel its taken almost that entire length of time for my natural testosterone levels to come back up to normal.
I say that from not having them measured but going off other factors like the fact i suffered from infirm errections, sex drive issues.

The other factor for yourself is you are 19 and your body is still developing, introducing external hormones into that system is a bad idea and could lead to permanent damage.

just all IMO

jw007

Personally speaking, i have taken aas since 19 on and off, im now 33 and TBH i dont think i would ever function again properly without some sort of drug protocol or TRT, and if i did i think it would take a good few years for everything to normalise... A situation im not prepared to endure.
I think when your young, usually you bounce back pretty quick, as i found when i was young, but the more you take and the older you get, the more and more time it will take things to normalise if ever IMO.

Truewarrior1 from personal experience at your age after 6 months off aas, if it was not a big course your levels should be much higher than you have stated.
IMO there are other factors at work in your situation.

Truewarrior1

if the endocrinologist won't give me anything im gnna go with 250mg test enth e/w and hcg.i cant live like this im too tired no sex drive no erections.

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cwoody123

Did you do PCT at the end of your last cycle? Also have you had your Thyroid, Adrenal and Prolactin checked?

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Truewarrior1

no i havent had the others tested

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cwoody123

Ooops...i missed that bit lol

What was your PCT protocol?

When you see the endo make sure they check all those as it looks like your secondary hypogonadal at the moment.

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Truewarrior1

my pct protocol was 3000iu split weekly hcg 2 weeks before nolva for four weeks first week 40mg, 2nd week 20mg , 3rd n 4th weeks 10mg

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cwoody123

I found that Nolva done jack **** for me...i would try Clomid for sure!

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Truewarrior1

maybe u got fake nolva, it worked fine for me for 2 years.

*waits for hacksii pscarb and tinytom*

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cwoody123

Maybe.... i tried 2 different brands and my Nolva was in blister packs and there original boxes. Have you got regular blood tests over the last 2 years or are you just going by how you felt in that time?

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Truewarrior1

i had 1 blood test n 1 how i felt.

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cwoody123

What was you levels on your past blood test?

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hackskii

I have seen this before, especially using compounds like deca and tran (mostly deca).
So, were any of those compounds in your steroid mix last cycle?

Being so young and manipulating your hormones would not be a good idea in my book but hell, lets just see if we can sort this out.

Ready?
Go buy 20,000iu of HCG.
Go buy 45 tabs of nolva.
Go buy 60 tabs of clomid.

Start them all the same day.
2500iu HCG EOD X 8 (16 days total)
100mg clomid a day but split that in two doses (50mg x 2) 30 days.
20mg nolva a day for 45 days.

As woody said, nolva did jack for my recovery.
Clomid works very well with me.
Remember there is a test called the clomid stimulation test to test out the pituitary for LH.
Nolva is not used for this.
Remember, both nolva and clomid are agonists and antagonists to estrogen.
They both pretty much do the same thing but act diffrently on diffrent receptor sites.
both work better than any combination of one.

Also, I remember you suggested you took some anti-depressants and other anxiety drugs and all of those can hinder your recovery, or even lower base normal test levels.

Before you do anything drastic I would run another PCT.

But please tell me the lenght of last cycle, the doses, and the compounds.
This might make more light of things.

dont worry man, the plan above is proven for success and has been used many many times with only a very slight percentage it didnt work for.
Even at that, I have one other thing in (or two), to toss into the mix for success.
You will be alright.

When you take the HCG, shoot that in the late afternoon, for some reason the nuts seem to respond better for me when I am asleep on HCG, but it it keeps you up then you will have to shoot mornings.

Take no aspirin with the use of HCG, and if you can help it, I would not take any of your other meds for anxiety if you can help it.

Zinc just before bed would be helpfull if one might be defficient in zinc, other than that it is a very mild aromatase inhibitor.

Chin up mate, no need to worry just yet.
Once you come out of this smelling like a rose, you will need to post the new and inproved blood tests.

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13stonetarget

Hey TW, sorry to hear about your current situation mate, that's rubbish. Good luck getting well.

Would you mind detailing your history of use, it might be useful for others to know?

Best wishes bud!