Troy McClure

hi all,

Im hoping some of the experienced vets on here can give me some input on finishing up this cycle:

Week 1 - 10
750mg test E PW
600mg EQ PW

Week 11-14
50mg t-bol ED

Week 1-7 HCG @500iu E3d
Week 9-12 HCG @ 100-250iu Eod
Week 13 (for 7 days) HCG @ 500iu Ed

L-dex throughout cycle.
PCT: (orginally planned as below)


With regards to my PCT I could do with some input. For the other cycles done I used 40mg Nolva by itself, slowly tapering down over a 4-5 week period. I'd based this on one of Doc Swales articles (http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroids-...-protocol.html) and other stuff read.

I was just making sure I was happy with my PCT protocol this time round, re-reading up on stuff - then I spotted Bikers article on use of clomid + nolva for PCT !

I had thought that clomid wasn't as effective as nolva and had heard of users saying that they felt cr*p whilst using it. From this alone I had decided not to use clomid for cycle recovery. Small minded maybe?

I read and understood bikers article plus other posts that support this (inc Hackskii's). They made sense. A bit late in the day maybe, but Im now re-thinking my PCT game plan for this cycle as its slightly heavier than previous ones and I want to get it right and make a good finish.

- If I was going to use nolva + clomid for recovery could someone recommend a dosage protocol for the above cycle ?



FYI my other worry is my use of HCG throughout the cycle. From day one I'd used HCG @ 500ius E3d and then at around week 7 had 10 days off it and switched to 100-250ius Eod from that point on. My thinking being that the break and drop in dose would be beneficial as I was worried about desensitization from over use.

In attempt to make sure the testes are ready for action again, half way through week 12 I ramped up the HCG dose to 500iu ED. This has continued for 7 days so far. I have got 5 days left of the Tbol before I begin PCT.

- Should I stop HCG use 3 days or so before PCT begins? or continue right up until PCT start ? ( "he should already bl**dy know this!" I can hear you saying)
(Im starting to wonder if I f@@ked here and that uping the HCG to 500iu Ed for the past week was excessive seeming as have been using it thru out cycle ?)

- Am I correct in assuming that L-dex should stop a couple of days AFTER last HCG shot ? or should I continue for longer - ie same day as Tbol?


Your thoughts would be really appreciated.

mars1960

Re; your concerns on hcg, These are from an article written by bigcat.

Using HCG for too long a period of time or in doses that are excessively high, can desensitize the testicles to the effect of LH and would put you right back where you started from. Basically that would mean you spent money to no avail.

HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself.
Hope this helps.

Troy McClure

So would you say that the 12 week duration plus this past week using @ 500iu ED is "too much / too long" ? admittedly its too late to worry about it, but Id like to know if i've c**ked up!

mars1960

I couldnt say personally, but it seems that might be the case.
Bigcats work is well respected.

Troy McClure

Thanks for the input dude.

If that is the case and i have made a mistake using the low dose HCG for too long is there anyone that can advise? (HCG has been used from day one @500 ius E3d with a 10 day break from it at week 7, continuing use @ 100-250ius Eod, then 500iu EOD for 7 days from mid week 12 up to now).


My PCT plan has always been to:

- use Nolva @ 40mg for week 1, 30mg for week 2 and then 20mg for weeks 3 - 5.
(i used this tapered dosing on previous cycles and felt good at the end of PCT)

- stop the L-dex 1 day before PCT begins.

- Stop HCG use 2 days before PCT begins


Could this do with some tweaking?

NB: My last tbol dose is this Thursday. There is no atrophy in the testicles (they feel cold and full).