fifibobo

Cheers Hackskii - appreciated. Weighed myself this morning, up again to 228lbs. Weight has went up :
Wk1:210lbs
Wk2:216lbs
Wk3:222.5lbs
Wk4:228.5lbs
This has increased steadily, more than I thought it would.

Back pumps have not been as bad, doing a combination of things which help this. Temper still nasty first thing in mornings & am also getting very dry/chapped lips; not sure if this is asscoiated with D-Bol. Am drinking plenty.

Was out Friday night but went onto vodka/fresh orange quickly. Don't really drink, so prepped by drinking loads of water & upping milk thisltle. Seemed to do trick as no issues.

WIll update pics tomorrow.

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Greyphantom

Its looking good mate... the weight gain is not unusual for a first cycle... plus you run a decent diet and good training... keep it up... its good to see...

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fifibobo

Cheers Phantom; 6lbs a week. Bit more than I was expecting, but loving it. Have been enjoying this 'experiment' as always had problems getting weight on. TBH I can't see too much puffiness and muscle is very hard in formation, not what I was expecting after reading others experiences. Have been targetting different muscle groups & want to get ma diddies (pecs) a lot bigger.

When it comes to pecs, how wide should the grip be on a flat bench using barbell for 'buking' pecs? Are there any variations to bench press I should try? Have read about hitting from 'different angles' - is this really needed at my stage?

Opinions appreciated folks....

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bigacb

I usually hold slightly wider than shoulder width but change it all the time to mix things up. Id stick with the basics like bench press incline bench decline bench and flies. Excellent gains keeps it up!

fifibobo

Cheers bigacb, appreciate comments. Do try to mix things up a bit. Have moved legs to Wed rather than Fri, so upper body is Mon & Fri - it was Hackskii who recommended this & does make more sense.

Just feel I can train more & want to do more as recovery times are very quick just now, but realise have to keep it strict. Grrrrrrrr.........

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Greyphantom

I recently changed my grip from forefinger on the ring in the knurling to little finger just inside the ring and I have noticed it seems to hit the pecs much more...

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fifibobo

Sorry for sounding a t*t phantom, but can you explain this grip so a Scotsam can understand - it's Monday morning.

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bigacb

I think he means the rings on an olympic bar. They are positioned slightly wider than shoulder width. He means (i think) that he has moved his hands a bit closer together on the bench press in lehmans terms.

7i7

You did waist/chest/thigh/arm measurements before? You can expect 40-60% to be glycogen (water weight), also if your diet is over 4k kcal bit of fat as well.

Flat, incline, dips and tad of pec deck is all your chest needs imo.

fifibobo

Ok, feel I've not been getting gains I should. Grip is about shoulder width apart just now.....may try a wee bit wider as did a set this way last week to mix it up & got a rather nice pump. Cheers for explaining that.......

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bigacb

I know it hard not to train on your days off. Ive changed my training around and it seems to be working.

Mon: Chest, lats and bi's
Tues: Shoulders, traps and tri's
Weds: Quads, hamstrings and calfs
Thurs: Chest, lats and bi's
Fri: Shoulders, traps and tri's
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

6 sets on each muscle per day

If its working for you then why change it. Id stick to it. Did you takes measurements of arms chest etc before you started your course? This is a much better way to determine gains. If not start now. Theres no better fweeling than when you realise your arms have gained half an inch! Good luck your gains are good so keep it up!

7i7

Thats too narrow grip there mate, iirc with bar touching lower chest your wrists should be directly over your elbows. For me its middle fingers on rings.

fifibobo

Thanks for that, was going to widen grip after comments; this has reinforced that view.

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fifibobo

I know - if it's not broken, don't fix it. Doesn't stop you wondering though. Will get measuring tonight.............

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bigacb

I know the what if syndrome...what if i trainede more would i be bigger. Usually i would say no but you can try it on your next course but id stick with how your training at the mo. Everyones different.