FAQ on Jabbing - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 07:46 PM

FAQ on Jabbing

One of the most important factors when using steroids is safe practice, especially with injectables so I have worked with hacks to compile this info in a clear and consistent manner

It is for the benefit of all those who jab whether you are a newbie about to take the plunge and do your first jab or you are a more experienced user and want to brush up on your technique and refresh your knowledge

http://www.spotinjections.com/

This is a useful site that contains various tips and demonstrations on correct jab technique

Credit to hacks for helping me compile this information and Pauluk27.

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 07:47 PM

How to Jab

All oil based and water based anabolic steroids should be taken intramuscularly. This means the shot must penetrate the skin and subcutaneous tissue to enter the muscle itself. Intramuscular injections are used when prompt absorption is desired, when larger doses are needed than can be given cutaneously or when a drug is too irritating to be given subcutaneously. The common sites for in tramuscular injectons include the buttock, lateral side of the thigh, and the deltoid region of the arm. Muscles in these areas, especially the gluteal muscles in the buttock, are fairly thick. Because of the large number of muscle fibers and extensive fascia, (fascia is a type of connective tissue that surrounds and separates muscles) the drug has a large surface area for absorption. Absorption is further promoted by the extensive blood supply to muscles. Ideally, intramuscular injections should be given deep within the muscle and away from major nerves and blood vessels.

The best site for steroid injections is in the gluteus medius muscle which is located in the upper outer quadrant of the buttock. The iliac crest serves as a landmark for this quadrant. The spot for an injection in an adult is usually to 7 1/2 centimeters (2 to 3 inches) below the iliac crest. The iliac crest is the top of the pelvic girdle on the posterior (back) side. You can find the iliac crest by feeling the uppermost bony area above each gluteal muscle. The upper outer quadrant is chosen because the muscle in this area is quite thick and has few nerves. The probability of injecting the drug into a blood vessel is remote in this area. Injecting here reduces the chance of injury to the sciatic nerve which runs through the lower and middle area of the buttock. It controls the posterior of each thigh and the entire leg from the knee down. If an injection is too close to this nerve or actually hits it, extreme pain and temporary paralysis can be felt in these areas. This is especially undesirable and warrants staying as far away from this area as possible.

THREE ACCEPTABLE SITES FOR INTRAMUSCULAR INJECTIONS:

A) BUTTOCK

B) LATERAL SURFACE OF THIGH

C) DELTOID REGION

If the gluteal region cannot be injected for some reason, the second choice would be the lateral portion of the thigh. Usually, intramuscular injections in the thigh are only indicated for infants and children. The vastus lateralis muscle is the only area of the thigh that should be injected intramuscularly. This site is determined by using the knee and the greater trochanter of the femur as landmarks. The greater trochanter is the bony area that you can feel where the femur joins the pelvic girdle. The mid portion of the muscle is located by measuring the handbreadth above the knee and the handbreadth below the greater trochanter. Injecting into the front of the thigh or inside of the thigh is extremely unwise. These areas contain nerves as well as a number of blood vessels.

WHAT TO USE FOR INJECTIONS

It is important to choose the proper syringe for the administration of injectable anabolic steroids. The principle components of a syringe include a cylindrical barrel to one end of which a hollow needle is attached, and a close fitting plunger. The most acceptable syringe for injecting anabolic steroids is a 22 gauge 1 1/2" or 23 gauge 1" apparatus with a 3 cc case. This length allows for penetration to reach deep inside the muscle tissue. Shorter needles, 5/8" or 1/2" are usually not sufficient for intramuscular injections and occasionally leave a portion of the Injection in a subcutaneous area which will cause a swell between the skin and muscle as well as impaired absorption. The gauge size of a syringe represents the needle\rquote s diameter. The lower the gauge number, the wider it is. A 27 gauge needle is very thin. An 18 gauge is quite wide; it is often referred to as a cannon. The 22 and 23 gauge needles are not so large that they are difficult to insert, yet are large enough for solutions to easily be propelled through them. The use of insulin needles is not acceptable; they are simply too small. Usually, insulin pins are 25 to 27 gauge and only a 1/2" long with a 1 cc case.

INJECTION PROCEDURES

There are a number of steps that should be understood in order to complete a safe and proper intramuscular injection. First off, before handling any needles or vials, the user should take a thorough shower. Next, an alcohol swab should be used to clean the injection site and another alcohol swab should be used to clean the rubber stopper on top of the vial which will be drawn from. Then, take a brand new syringe out of its wrapper, remove its plastic top, draw about 2 ccs of air into it and insert it into the vial. Inject this air into the vial; this creates pressure within the vial and makes it easier to draw out oil based preparations. Then, turn the vial upside-down and slowly draw out the oil until you\rquote ve overdrawn at least 1/4 cc. For example, if someone was going to take a shot of 1 cc, they should pull out approximately 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 ccs of liquid, then tap the side of the case to help get the air bubbles that were drawn into the syringe to come to the top. At that point, the excess 1/4 to 1/2 cc could be injected back into the vial and the needle removed. Then, hold the syringe needle-side-up and continue to tap it to encourage all the air bubbles to come to the top of the syringe. Now, take another clean syringe, remove it from its sterile package and unscrew the needle from the syringe. Exchange the brand new needle for the one that has just been injected into the stopper. By using two needles for every injection, you can take advantage of using the full sharpness of the pin. The needle does suffer some dulling when it is pushed through the firm rubber stopper on a vial. It is important not to touch this needle before the injection. It should not come into contact with a counter top, your fingers, nor should it be cleaned with alcohol. This needle is sterile and should not be touched. At this point, once again swab the injection site with alcohol, then press the stopper of the syringe holding it needle-side-up, until the slight air bubbles that are at the top are pressed out. Once a bead of oil has appeared at the top of the needle, allow it run down the surface of the needle which provides lubrication.

At this time, take the syringe and hold it like a dart. Use the other hand to stretch the skin at the injection site and simply push the sharp clean needle in. After inserting it deep into the muscle, pull back on the stopper for a few seconds to make sure it does not fill up with blood which would indicate that the needle had been injected into a blood vessel. Providing there is no blood present in the syringe, slowly press the stopper down until all the oil is injected. Then, quickly pull the needle out and take another alcohol swab and press firmly on the injection site. This will minimize bleeding, if there is any, and by firmly pressing on the injection site and slightly massaging it, some of the soreness may be eliminated. It is important that the liquid is not injected too quickly as this causes more pain at the site during the injection and in the proceeding days.

After this procedure has been completed, return the plastic caps to shield the needles and make sure they are discarded properly.

To avoid discomfort and excessive scar tissue at the injection site, it is not wise to inject more than 2 ccs of solution per shot. It is also not prudent to use the same injection site more than twice a week (once a week is preferred) .

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 07:47 PM

ON ASPIRATION...

Yes, aspirating is important, particularly if you are planning to inject a limb. If you are injecting your glutes, you don't need to worry about hitting veins as much, because it's fleshier and not flush with veins at the surface (within 1-1.5") Arms, however, or legs, can be dangerous areas, because they are rife with veins and you could potentially hit one. You don't want an intravenous injection (IV) you want an intramuscular injection (IM) with most AAS. Insulin and GH are a little different and require subcutaneous injections (under the skin only), but that's for another time.

So every time you inject an area that is leaner, has more veins visible, and is an "unknown" kind of area, always pull back the plunger once the needle is in the site. If you pull back and it feels as though it's resistant (how it ought to feel) then you're okay. But if you pull back blood, push the blood back in, slowly, without loading it with the AAS in the syringe too much, and pull the needle out.

Once out, unscrew the needle point and put another on. That needle is now dull and can cause an abscess if injected again. Also, it contains blood now, so don't expose it to air and then re-inject. That's important.

If you are are inexperienced, don't really hit other sites but your glutes in the first couple of years. You need some development to begin site injecting, IMO. Besides, I'm not a big fan of site injecting for most people. It's a tricky business and I've seen too many nightmare infections, abscesses and such.

More info here that I like:
Glute...place thumb tip on your top hip bone, spread your fingers out and straight. Where the tip of your pinky is where you jab

Yes, you have to cycle different body parts due to abcess and plain ole soreness.

Glute and thighs 1.5" and 1" for everything else.

More on Aspiration:
Aspiration is a technique used to ensure that needle placement is correct prior to injection. Assuming the correct syringe and needle, after insertion and prior to injection, pull back on the plunger. Resistance should be met and neither blood, air, or material of any kind should return into the syringe. If so discontinue the injection entirerly and repeat. If resistance is met with no aspirate material seen, injection can proceed.

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 07:48 PM

Safe injection practice - general rules for ensuring your safety before, during and after a jab

There are many important facts to take into consideration when administering an injection and if you follow the basic rules, then you will have trouble-free therapy. The points to watch out for are as follows:

1. Never share needles with another person. Destroy after use.
2. Avoid injecting into the exact same area more than twice per week.
3. Keep the area to be injected as clean as possible, use an alcoholic swab.
4. Use a sharp needle every time. Avoid rubbing on the base of the vial.
5. Use two needles if possible. One for pulling, one for jabbing. Stay sharp!
6. Inject slowly, carefully and make sure the jab is all the way in. Under no
circumstances should the fluid be injected just under the skin - it could abscess.
7. Do not worry about a little blood. It could be that you have caught a tiny blood
vessel. Apply firm pressure to the area and it will stop.
8. Tap away all bubbles from the syringe, the minute ones will not cause any
problems as it is an intra-muscular injections and not intra-vascular. Under no
circumstances should you inject into a vein. The bubbles will rise to the top and
then you can dispel any more if you wish without a problem.

credit to pauluk27

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 07:48 PM

How to site inject safely

I have noticed that there are a lot of posts about site injections that lack important information. After reading them and talking with a couple friends on this subject, I decided that an article might help to clear up a few things. Some common questions are: What gauge needle should on use on which muscle? What areas can I shoot?.

Traps: Use 23g x 1.5”needles. Start with 1.5cc work up to 3.5cc When shooting into the traps you need to be careful of the veins and nerves that run up the side of the neck to the head, also starting with to much oil in this spot can cause a lot of neck pain. So start small and work your way up as you will with all of these injections. Start with 1.5 cc per Trap. When site injecting whether its for growth or swelling (there is no real scientific evidence that site injecting causes actual growth of the muscle tissue, although I feel it does and my triceps have defiantly gotten bigger since I started site injecting.) you need to keep balance between the right muscle and the left muscle, so make sure the amounts injected is even to both sides. When looking in a mirror you want to inject mid way on your trap between your shoulder and your neck, and slightly to the back side of your body. When you inject, I go slow, I know a lot of people suggest going fast, it seems that most people tense too much when shooting so by going slowly you don’t tense and there is less bruising to the area. After breaking the skin and slowly pushing the needle in all the way, you pull back on the plunger to aspirate, you don’t need to pull all the way back till you have bubbles floating in the oil, you only need to have a slight vacuum. If there is a slight vacuum or a bubble you are ok, if you hit a vein blood will come into the syringe, it’s not a big deal pull the needle out and move to another spot. If you hit a nerve it feels like a tingle and you will see the nerve make the muscle twitch, it’s uncomfortable so just pull the needle out and again start in another spot. Don’t mistake the twitch of a muscle because you aren’t relaxing. You need to keep your muscles relaxed when you site inject especially if it is a new spot for you. Now slowly inject the oil into the trap, do a 1/4cc at a time then wait a few seconds and continue till it is all in. Now when pulling the needle out pull ¼ of it out wait a few seconds twist slightly and then pull another ¼ out wait a few seconds and continue till it is completely pulled out. By waiting a few seconds you give the oil a chance to fill the space of the needle and you should minimize the amount of oil or blood that will leak out of the injection site. This will be the same procedure for all muscle groups.

Deltoids:
25g x 1” or 23g x 1” Start with 1cc work up to 2.5cc. All three heads of the delts can be injected into, although you will need help for the rear delt, the side and front delt shouldn’t be a problem. When injecting into the front delt you need to be careful of the main vein that runs up the center of the arm from the bicep. You should be able to feel around on the delt and when you hit the vein you should actually see it pulse under the skin, obviously you want to be either to the right or left of the vein. Again follow the same procedure as above and pierce the skin slowly and push the needle in slowly, you shouldn’t hit any nerves but like I said the vein is possible so just take things slowly. For the side head there aren’t any surface veins to worry about, but you can inject two different ways, straight into the side of the head and down from the top. If you inject down from the top it looks more natural as the oil will push the muscle up, in from the side makes the side head actually stand out. Follow the same procedure for injecting.

Biceps:
25g x 1”, 25g x 5/8”, 23g x 1” Start with 1 cc work up to 2cc. The two heads of the biceps can be used although it is easier to shoot into the inside head, the procedure is slightly different for the bicep. What you do is flex and mark the spot of the peak of the bicep, now straighten your arm and relax the muscle, where you marked it is where you inject just to the inside or the outside of the main vein. Although it looks like you are injecting to high on the muscle you aren’t, you want to inject deep enough though to push the head of the muscle up not have the oil sit on the top of the muscle, which will look like a lump instead of a bigger muscle.

Triceps:
25g x 1”, 25g x 5/8”, 23g x 1” Start with 1 cc work up to 2 cc. Even though there are 3 heads of the triceps you will only be injecting into 2 of them, the inner and outer head, not the head nearest the elbow. For the outer head you can use the 5/8 inch needle, again you will want to flex the tricep and inject in the thickest part of the head, shooting when relaxed of course. For the back head you can inject in two different spots, the thick area where the arm touches the side of the lats or the upper most part of the tricep. For the back part you need to be careful of the nerves and veins that run through this area of the arm, again injecting slowly does help here. When going into the top part you will be on a slight angle and injecting actually behind the head, this will help give a more dramatic look as well as extra shape.

Chest:
23g x 1”, 25g x 1” Start with 1cc work up to 3 cc. The chest can be a very scary area to inject into especially with all of the horror stories of Milos Sarcev almost dying from injecting Synthol into his chest. There are 3 main areas that can be injected into the chest, the upper pecs which are injected on an angle, the middle pecs which are injected straight into and the side of the chest. The upper and middle chest shots give more thickness to the pecs, while the side injection gives more width. For the upper chest shot the needle goes in on an angle, almost like you are saying the pledge of allegiance, for this shot I use the 25g x 1” needle, you need to go in deep enough to get the oil in the muscle but not so deep that you are near any veins. For the middle shot you can use either needle, it will go in the direct middle of the chest, straight in. These shots do take some practice and of course you still need to follow all outlined directions and of course stay relaxed.

credit to Pauluk27

**hackskii** · 19-10-2007, 08:54 PM

Wow Cap, you put together the most informative post on injection practice I ever saw.
wanna do a Sub-Q one now?

I think that post deserves some reputation to it.
Very nice mate.

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 09:18 PM

Sub Q injections

Captain Hero · 19-10-2007, 09:27 PM

here is some well written and very useful Sub Q info

http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_ed...epubs/subq.pdf

Z3R0-CooL · 28-10-2007, 12:12 PM

Thanks for the post bro.

one question though. why do u recommend 1.5 inch for thighs? i was under the impression that u use 1inch for thighs and the only time u use 1.5inch is for glutes. at least thats what spotinjections suggests...

Captain Hero · 28-10-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z3R0-CooL

Thanks for the post bro.

one question though. why do u recommend 1.5 inch for thighs? i was under the impression that u use 1inch for thighs and the only time u use 1.5inch is for glutes. at least thats what spotinjections suggests...

Here is the answer Z3R0, courtesy of my big brother Hackskii

Well, I guess you could use 1.5" or just dont go in all the way. 1" is cool too, not sure exactally if it is only limited to 1".
Just because spotinjections suggests this doesnt mean anything, after all who in the hell shoots the traps anyway?

I am sure Ronny Coleman can get away with much longer than 1.5 in the quads.....lol....

Scott

Bulldozer · 28-10-2007, 02:45 PM

See cap i knew you was dodgy, posting pics of mens bums

:love:

Captain Hero · 28-10-2007, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldozer

See cap i knew you was dodgy, posting pics of mens bums

:love:

:love: :eyebrows::eyebrows::eyebrows:

Lux · 28-10-2007, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldozer

See cap i knew you was dodgy, posting pics of mens bums

:love:

Damn! Theres proof to my allegations if you guys at UK-M had any doubts about my post in general!!!!!!

Stig · 09-12-2007, 07:06 PM

Quality information there for a newbie

Is there a better time of day to take your shot, i.e first thing in the morning??