BOZWELL

It seems the half life is about 5 days not ten
Ive been discussing this on a few boards
heres a link to what Ive found
http://afboard.com/forum/anabolic-di...fe-test-e.html

Biker

I've always believed Test E to be about 7-8 days halflife, I've never read anything to suggest it's 5 days.

And I see from your link one of the studies is saying "6 days half life for TE is average, but 4 or 8 days can also be true for you"

So my calculations are pretty much on the money.

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Boz also hold in mind that many studies you will read online are based on taking 1 single injection of a product and that's just not the same as a cycle, where larger amounts are being used and the product has several weeks to build up in your system.

Am I right in believing that you're a fan of "cruising" (not coming off gear between cycles just using a lower dose) between cycles? just seen another thread on that forum which you've been posting in. Don't do it mate, long term you will regret it! it's a huge mistake that many people make.

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BOZWELL

I see youre point
I know there are many studys thats say many differant things about the same compound,thats were all the arugements start
any way..
I do pefer a low dose of test between cycles Ive done 8 months strait and recover fine ..or as fine as I get..was a very flat for 3 -4 weeks after pct though
I reckon my natty test levels are crap tbh .. Im on paroxitine for panic attacks ..been on this for 7 years now and it killed my sex drive and want to train .no go ,no panic attack but I wasnt the man I was .told my old doc about this and said I just had to deal with it and wanted to give me more tablets..since changed docs..
after my first test shot ..sust.. I felt better within days when I do pct I end up back to this..this is why I stay on test most of the time doing this has changed my life ..
I do plan on coming off for few mounth after my winter cycle to to make sure they still function.. to what little standard they used used to
I cant come of these pills..paroxtine.. me and the doc have tied allway Il be on them for life .withdraw is insaine!!
I do talk to my doc a lot about this and she says I do take to much but other than my lipids being ****..due to paroxitine also..Im in good health
I get blood work done to keep an eye on things every 6 mounth as I was only supposed to be on these pills for 6 mounth and they dont really know the long term effects

i guess what Im trying to say is I do it more for quality of life than a muscle building point of view
btw doing 250mg sust e8d

7i7

Sorry to hear mate, on SSRI for life :(
You sure you can't come off even on gear?

BOZWELL

Ive tried mate .i quit smoking no problem..lol
Im on 30mg ed I was On 50mg ed at one point any less than this symptom include ,severe electric type shocks in my head dizzyness,confusion.very short temper,insominia.lethargey, no appitte,vomiting,panic attack like state of mind ,profuse sweating
these symptom only get worse as as I try to come off..tried switching drugs ,tapering off..nothing works I allways get the same symptoms,went 2 weeks without once ..it was the worst time of my life ..ever see train spotting..thats nothing!!
at times I feel like a crack head having to depend on drugs to keep myself right
If taking test and ssri for the rest of my life will shorten it by a few years then so be it, Id rather a have a shorter good quality of life than no real life at all
Im not saying anyone else should do this btw

7i7

Mate, do reading on SSRI dependency and discontinuation syndrome, its curable - just nasty like coca. Paxil is ****ing addictive with terrible sides and company that released it had thousands of lawsuits for that.
Good luck with whatever you do, but if it was me, I would strap meself to bed for 4 weeks to get off that nasty shiete if necessary.

hackskii

Well, speaking from personal experiances true life applications over any tests or studies for me win every time.

How long do I feel a 500mg shot of sust?
4 weeks, judging by my libido, oily face, how I feel, and a change in my voice (it gets deeper and raspier on gear).

How long do I feel a shot of 500 enanthate?
3 weeks from last jab I still feel the androgens in my system.

I was on TRT myself at one time and the average dose is 65mg-100mg a week (7 days), for 200mg, it is 2 weeks intervels for a doc visit, @ 300mg it is 3 weeks.
This is cypionate and if you read the cypionate PDF it does in fact back this statement up.

When androgens are high in the body or above base normal values all the AI's, SERM's, trib, zinc, everything, mean nothing twards recovery.......zero for HPTA normilization.

Short story, if you start too early you just might miss your PCT window of recovery.


Boz, gotta say bro, I have read so many diffrent posts on some boards that men just like yourself bridge and never end up comming off.
TRT doses are a max of around 100mg of cypionate a week, not 250, not 300, it is 100mg.
If you call 250mg every 8 days TRT doses or bridging you are kidding yourself, you are in essence on cycle.

Many guys just like you have panic attacks, low lipid profile and other problems that stay on, this is so common you have no idea.
Happened to a friend of mine personally that said PCT was a joke, well his doc forced him to come off due to the lipid profile was that of a heart attach victom waiting to happen.

Problem is a few things, for one adrenal burnout is common with guys on long cycles, the fight or flight hormones are working very hard and this promotes many of the conditions you actually said you have.
Another issue is androgen dependence.
Just like alcohol, where your first beer (very first beer) gives you a nice buzz, after a while of continious use you need more to do the same job (buzz), this has to do with enzymes.
But same as alcohol, one can get used to the androgens and the body now is used to the higher amounts to do the normal function.
Once you even lower that to base levels men still get panic attacks.

You can get around this androgen dependence if you taper very slowly to get the body used to less androgens, many things will happen too, cortisol and adrenial function will start to normalize, estrogen will be lower due to less aromitization, and too much or too little testosterone is hard on the brain and lipid profiles.
Once the taper comes to 100mg of test a week, then you can start a PCT after stopping gear and waiting for clearance.

Boz, you need to come off sooner or later or you will have problems.

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BOZWELL

Thanks for the info and the concern mate
I didnt start aas untill Id been on paroxatine a year or so,just looking to boost my training once I tried test I was back to my self
I do plan on comming off with a heavy pct after christmas..I dont what to be In a sh!ty mood with every one over that time,
I will taper right down untill this time using 125mg e8 days at the end,
Ive seen folk on 200mg cyp e6d ? usally done on private health care not nhs though, I dont use the test to prevent pannic attacks it just gives me my drive back what the paroxitine took away ,I dont think Im dependent on anorgens any more than any other male who need some test in his system
tbh Ill prob start back on 100mg ew after my pct/recovery attempt and see how it gose,probs have a few moths off first to let this settle
I have treid to come of these pills on cycle and off the sides are the same

BOZWELL

cheers
I feel like it mate but the sides even after 2 weeks just got more intense
It as stating to kill my relationship and mess home life up I couldnet work, I couldnt function round the house
after 7 years on the stuff I think Im f!cked tbh mate,and it say on the info that its NOT addictive..my ****

hackskii

Typical TRT doses of cypionate is 100mg a week. Yes they do use small amounts of HCG day of shot, and days 6 and 7 to help them keep stable blood levels.
Many of them take half a tab of adex twice a week for estrogen management as well.

But 200mg E6D?
That is not TRT doses at all, that equates to 233.33mg a week of test, nobody I know gets prescribed this and it is over double what TRT men take.
Have a close friend is on 200mg every 2 weeks, he goes into his doctors office for the shot every two weeks.
He is 59 years old.
He does use some HCG with will bump endo test up some and take the edge off due to other things associated with the use of HCG.

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