stupot

ive been cutting for wot seems years lol using two on clen then 2 wk on eca and so on, what i wanted to no was ure opinions on is would it be ok to go straight from the cut using the meds i mentioned onto a bulk using sustanon, i no about the time on plus pct = required time off, but does this still apply with clen and eca ? my thought is no


also after you guys have done a bulking cycle and completed pct, how long do you wait untill you decide to go on a cut to show off those new hard earned muscles, alot of people cut to soon and lose alot of if not all of the muscle they gained , so obviously it is best to keep the calories high for a while untill the body has adjusted but how long exactly do you guys do?

Pscarb

i and many others i know do not do an all out bulk per say but do a clean bulk whilst you still gain some fat you still stay at around the 10-12% mark so there is no need to cut unless you are competing.....

so to answer your question i clean bulk for 9 months out of a year and prep for a show for 3months

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stupot

im not looking to compete or anything i just finally want to get my bodyfat down to 10 percent, after years of bulking found myself at 18percent ish, 15 percent is the highest i ever want to go from now on when bulking beacuase in my opinion you still look like a body builder at 15 percent but bulked up, any higher you just look like a fat lad,

any 1 got any answers to the questions i metioned regarding the meds?

jjb1

its in the diet mate im doing as paul mentioned now gaining leaner,its better imo you can gain fat fast with weight gainer ect but alot of fat and the scales fly up but its not true gains

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Pscarb

i never said you had to compete i merly pointed out what i do, i have been down the route of Bulking at any cost and as jjb has pointed out the gains are not real....as for the meds as long as you are cycleing the 2 you mention then i dont see any reason why you need to stop them

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stupot

i never said u said i had to compete i also just stated what do!!

to be honest every1 has totally missed my point i no how to bulk and cut etc but yeah i do agree with what youve said about doing a lean bulk which is what i plan to do in the future,

but i didnt ask that what i wanted to no about was going from using cutting meds clen and eca to using bulking meds like sustanon etc without anytime in between cos im not planning on cutting forever!

and also how long you keep the calories high after completing a bulking cycle with bulking meds b4 you start to diet down "if needed" to ensure the body adjusts and keeps the new musclegained by the bulking meds? or how long would you recomend?

Pscarb

well you are talking about switching from non steriod meds to steroids so no time off will be needed....

As for the calories for me i dont change them year round i stay lean so dont need to, if you lower calories to lose fat you do it in such a way that you keep all the muscle you gained and shed the fat and water so really you could do this the day after you complete the bulking cycle if your diet is good then you won't lose any muscle you have gained the key is knowledge of foods and diet...i hope this has answered your question??

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stupot

yeah thanks mate it has regarding the clen to sus was what i thought anyway just wanted to make sure,

i no alot of guys that bulk while on a steriod cycle , and after pct keep the calories the same for a while say 4-6wk i think cant remember exactly to make sure the body adapts to keeping the new muscle, then they go on a cut but not any sooner for the fear of losing the new gains ,

but yeah when you cut you are supposed to be losing the fat and water and keeping the muscle which can be done by eating 1.25-2 grm of protein per lb of lean bodyweight etc etc i no all about that mate,

so you would be confident of not losing any of the new gains made from a steriod cycle if you reduced the cals for a cut the day after pct? i dont think id honestly want to risk it id want to keep the cals high for at least a month after pct, not arguing mate just intrested in urs and every1s opinions!

Pscarb

i don't see it as arguing mate i only know what i know from what i have tried myself and with others i coach, you need to find what works best for you though....

good luck

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miami797

Not sure if cutting over two years is a healthy choice. You could've bulked properly over those 2 years and got cut in 2 months.

You can bulk and still stay around 10-12% with no problems. If you're getting up to 18% than the problem is either your diet or genetics.

You can stay lean on test and dbol with the right diet without any "cutting" agents.

Their shouldn't be a difference in PCT between your bulk and cutting cycles. The only difference I could see is the length of time you may need PCT. This is because different drugs suppress you to a different extent. You can't determine a PCT based on bulking or cutting, only by knowing how you respond to certain things.

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stupot

urm me confused now, dont intend to cut for two year 20wks max!!

then do a lean bulk supported with sum sustanon, then going to keep calories high for a while untill the body has to adjusted to keeping the new gains, then look at cutting again ready for nxt summer, hopefully ill be down to 10-12percent by doing a 12 wk cut, currently roughly 14.5percent

miami797

I misread what you wrote about "what seems like years."

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