Slamdog

Just a quick question.....

Should I wait for my T3 to arrive and start that the same time as taking clen or should I ramp the clen up from now and then start the t3? Going to be be running clen 2 weeks on 2 off and the t3 a max of 5 weeks (if popular advice is correct.) I'm thinking that I should start the clen now so the sides from ramping the dose don't mask any sides that the t3 may give me but I'm open to advice.

I've used clen before, and can comfortably run at 140mcg daily with very little sides (I will taper on though I'm not so naive as to jump on full dosage immediately) and know it will take a week to get to full dose.

T3 is something I havent used before but my research seems to show the need to taper on/off and not to exceed 100mcg e/d and only run a 5 week max course.

What do you guys reckon? wait for the t3 and start them together or hit the clen now and start the t3 in a few days.

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Aftershock

You can start the clen now mate. Also once you have established your limit previously I personally dont bother tapering it it. I just come in on 160mcg a day of clen now right from day 1.

The t3 tapper is more important when coming off. You can up the dose more quickly. I normally come in on 50mcg and up the dose by 25mcg every 3 days until I reach the max level.. When you taper off taper off 25mcg every 7 days and do 12.5mcg for the last week. Id say 8 weeks is about max.

What are you using to stop you going catabolic?

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Slamdog

ok, i was warned previously about clen and banging back on full dose.

cheers for the t3 info will try that..

I hadn't planned on anything else regarding catabolism, apart from training and diet. My primary objective is fat loss. I actually didn't lose muscle mass last time on clen. If you think it might happen then is there an alternative. I hadn't considered aas at this point because a) I'm a fat git still and b) I only have a years training behind me.

Now my diet is better than it ever has been but I'm not sure that it is ready completely for aas. I'm running a low carb diet at around 2200 cals daily (which is an 800 cal restriction on my maintenance level) to try and drop weight with regular clean carb bursts to keep things moving. Clean carbs such as fibrous veggies, sweet pots, brown rice rather than a couple of doughnuts....

If you think I should be doing something different then I'm open to suggestions.

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Aftershock

You absolutely don't want to run t3 above 25mcg ed without anabolic support, otherwise it will strip muscle off you.

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Slamdog

thats good to know....

although my mindset is one that can go along with pill popping i'm not sure i'm ready to take the step into aas... if however others think it will work for me now then please convice me that a fat bloke is ready.

I read so much about 'don't touch aas till diet and training are sorted' that it has become ingrained. My view is that if i'm fat, my diet can't be sorted...

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Slamdog

thought so!

I'll stay natural for now unless anyone else wants to jump in.

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steve.t

slamdog, how overweight are you? i know myself that after 11 years conti trucking i was nearly 3 stone over! all gone now though thank god!

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Slamdog

well.. now i'm only 45lbs from the from the healthy bmi range... if the bmi was the be all and end all...

I was 19 stone, i'm currently 14st 12lbs. It has dropped in a year. realistically, i have set a goal to drop a stone by the end of october which fits with 2lbs a week. my last bodyfat % worked out to 18/19%

I would love to see 10%

Personally I feel the BF% to be more of a measure than pure scale weight although the scale is the main measure. scale weights I would like to see it in the low 13 st area. Ultimately, I want to see my abs.... and if I have some muscle too that would be a bonus!

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steve.t

thats not to bad as long as you not knee high to a grasshopper! i was at one point nearly 16st, dieted down to 13st and now back up to 14st 4lbs at the moment but muscle weight not lard this time!! bf16 and dropping, intend to get much bigger though.

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ShawkatSboul

Slamdog no offence but how can u say ull stay natural when ur taking clen which has been medically prove to exhibit mild anabolic activity! no point in doing things by half lol! im just about to start a course of clen and t3, but like u im gonna wait a bit for the t3, and see how the clen works out, as for stripping fat off ive recently changed my diet(5day now) ive cut out all breads, cereal, milk, rice and pasta's in an effort to lower my carb intake, it looks like its making a difference, ive been stuck on a body fat of about 8.5% for ages and i want to drop it further so i can see my abs really really well! so im hoping that the clen, and the t3 would help out.

Slamdog

has it been proved to be medically anabolic? The only stuff I have see say yes, in huge doses in animals.... the doses required to match in humans would be fatal or pretty close.

I have done the low carb thing and yes, it works... but not for ever... This cutting phase has been a year now...

oh and steve.t... height is 5'8" not short, but certainly not the tallest either....

Sure, I am tempted to look at aas, I even bought some on holiday, but I'm still not convinced that I'm ready for them. I don't know enough about all the sides on fat blokes to think about taking them now... all the guys here using seem to be a lot lower in the bf% and are trying to gain weight, not lose it. I think I would be confusing weight gain with fat gain. I do understand that having more muscle means higher maintenance cals but its too tight a line for me to walk just yet.

If one of the big guys here were training me then it would just be a case of do what they say but I'm not being trained per se. I am training, but my goals are not to compete yet.... one day, I would like to do a competition.. just to say that I had done it but realistically.. getting to 10% would be a fantastic step for me.

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ShawkatSboul

Ur probably right about that buddy. on the side of trying to lower ur body fat, well the lowest i ever managed to get it without steriods was probably about 14%, but as soon as i started taking dianabol, i did bulk up on muscle, but my body fat did drop down to 10%, testosterone from my personal experience(granted is pretty limited at the mo lol (bout 18months)) makes u gain weight but in the form of pure muscle and the fat goes away. im now on my fifth week of 500mg of sustanon,35mg dianabol ed, with 20mg of nolvadex, and 75mg of proviron, and the gains are fantastic, im getting stronger, the muscle looks defined and hard. the low carb diet looks like its working, its been a week now and during the week i felt stronger in the gym.....i was expecting to lose energy cause of the lack of complex carbs! anyways on another note ive just started adding clenbuterol, 2day was my second day and i only took 40mcg in the morning but a few hrs later while at work i felt really shakey(the same kinda feeling if u have a low blood sugar level) i had a glass of milk and some ice cream thinking it was a low sugar problem....but that didnt cure it. anyone else had similar symptoms? the strange thing is this evening i took just 20mcg and i felt fine. did i take too much in the morning?

Slamdog

shakes on clen is a known side although I'm surprised you have them on 40mcg... I normally drop all my clen at once in the morning, this morning was 100mcg (day 3)

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Jock

You are lucky, clen gives me headaches and the shakes I have to start at 40mcg and taper up by 20mcg every 2 days until I hit around. I have used T3 twice with good results.

As long as your diet is sorted clen and T3 will strip fat but I would run a low does of test (prop would be ideal) as T3 does not burns fat and muscle indiscriminatley.

How are yopu lanning on tapering the T3

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Slamdog

i was going to taper it up, but after being told that without aas it will strip muscle i was going to stick to 25mg ed

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