Gyno advice... - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

09-05-2003, 02:57 AM

Hey guys...
I'm presently on week 2 of my 2nd cycle, which is:
Week 1- 1000mg Testoviron Depot
Weeks 2-8 - 500mg Testoviron Depot
Weeks 2-5 - 75mg BD A50
Weeks 7-11 - 100mg Winstrol Depot EOD
Clomid starting 12 hours after last Winny jab

And i started feeling some soreness around my left nipple by the end of week 1 (last friday)...started taking nolva at 40mg/day on saturday for 3 days, then reduced it to 20mg/day (that's 3 days at 40 and another 3 at 20)...the pain is not as bad as it was, but i can feel a lump, and now it only hurts if i press it...
My question is, should i up the nolva to 40mg again till the pain subsides, or just run it at 20mg for a couple more days? I didn't want to take the nolva 'cause i was really looking forward to the water retention...

BTW, i believe the gyno is due to my 1st cycle, basically:
Weeks 1-8 - 500mg Sustenon 250 + 600mg Deca
Weeks 7-11 - 100mg Winny EOD
Clomid

I know 600mg Deca is way too much, but i got a little crazy by week 5 of my cycle and jabbed 1g Deca...i really believe that's responsible for the gyno appearing now...if Deca is the culprit is Nolva enough to relieve gyno symptoms or should i add Proviron in there as well? Is the lump going to keep its size (or grow bigger) or will the anti-e's make it smaller (i know it probably won't go away, but can it become smaller?)...

Thx in advance, guys...

BTW, i gained 40lbs on that 1st cycle :vamp:

Paul, been checking ur forum from time to time, and let me congrat u for ur excellent effort...Had to register

Well done, mate

09-05-2003, 03:41 AM

Hey bro, sry to hear about your gyno problems. I havent experienced gyno but a friend of mine did. He took 40mg nolva ed until it went away. And i know you dont want to hear me say it but i would stop the drol atleast till your nipples aren't sore then try 50mg drol. But the nolva should work jsut fine. Maybe the other mods can give you some advice from experiencing gyno.

good luck

**Great White** · 09-05-2003, 10:44 AM

Hello mate

Yeah, I agree with Ronzoid there, i would stop the A50`s at least for 2 weeks, you can always start em again once you get the gyno under controll.

Take Nolva at 40mg ED for a week and that should sort things out.

I have never experianced gyno before, but i have had slight swelling of the nipples (always suffered with spongey nipples anyway)

I just ran Nolva at 20mg ED for 2 weeks and things were back to normal, but in your case, 40mg would be better.

Cheers

Paul

Raven · 09-05-2003, 11:12 AM

Well if there's one thing I know about is gyno!

Why are you doing such high doses!!!!!!!! For your first cycle you were taking up to a gram of deca! Deca will not aromitize on it's own but will make existing gyno worse (and very hard to treat) at it can activate the progestin hormone which is more or less dorment in males.

How long a go did you finish your last cycle?

I don't think the gyno was caused by your last cycle, I think it is caused by the gram of test you shot, Ethanate is the worst test for gyno IMO and you shouldn't be doing so much so quickly until you see how you react to it.

I would take 40mg of nolva and hopefully it should take the soreness away and then take 20mg for the duration of the cycleright up to clomid. It's doubtfull that the lump will go completly away. Also cut the A-50 back to 50mg ED just it case the dreaded progestin gyno kicks in

09-05-2003, 07:21 PM

Raven,
finished my 1st cycle recovery 3 days b4 starting 2nd cycle, so about 2 weeks ago...
Gonna keep the A-bombs at 75 mg/day, and the test at 500mg/week, upping the nolva to 40mg/day till i see any improvements...stopping the cycle or cutting the doses is not an option. Wish me luck

Thx for ur help, guys...really apreciate it...

09-05-2003, 02:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rio Ferreira Guest Posts: n/a	Gyno advice... Hey guys... I'm presently on week 2 of my 2nd cycle, which is: Week 1- 1000mg Testoviron Depot Weeks 2-8 - 500mg Testoviron Depot Weeks 2-5 - 75mg BD A50 Weeks 7-11 - 100mg Winstrol Depot EOD Clomid starting 12 hours after last Winny jab And i started feeling some soreness around my left nipple by the end of week 1 (last friday)...started taking nolva at 40mg/day on saturday for 3 days, then reduced it to 20mg/day (that's 3 days at 40 and another 3 at 20)...the pain is not as bad as it was, but i can feel a lump, and now it only hurts if i press it... My question is, should i up the nolva to 40mg again till the pain subsides, or just run it at 20mg for a couple more days? I didn't want to take the nolva 'cause i was really looking forward to the water retention... BTW, i believe the gyno is due to my 1st cycle, basically: Weeks 1-8 - 500mg Sustenon 250 + 600mg Deca Weeks 7-11 - 100mg Winny EOD Clomid I know 600mg Deca is way too much, but i got a little crazy by week 5 of my cycle and jabbed 1g Deca...i really believe that's responsible for the gyno appearing now...if Deca is the culprit is Nolva enough to relieve gyno symptoms or should i add Proviron in there as well? Is the lump going to keep its size (or grow bigger) or will the anti-e's make it smaller (i know it probably won't go away, but can it become smaller?)... Thx in advance, guys... BTW, i gained 40lbs on that 1st cycle :vamp: Paul, been checking ur forum from time to time, and let me congrat u for ur excellent effort...Had to register Well done, mate

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09-05-2003, 03:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ronzoid12 Guest Posts: n/a	Hey bro, sry to hear about your gyno problems. I havent experienced gyno but a friend of mine did. He took 40mg nolva ed until it went away. And i know you dont want to hear me say it but i would stop the drol atleast till your nipples aren't sore then try 50mg drol. But the nolva should work jsut fine. Maybe the other mods can give you some advice from experiencing gyno. good luck

09-05-2003, 10:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,272	Hello mate Yeah, I agree with Ronzoid there, i would stop the A50`s at least for 2 weeks, you can always start em again once you get the gyno under controll. Take Nolva at 40mg ED for a week and that should sort things out. I have never experianced gyno before, but i have had slight swelling of the nipples (always suffered with spongey nipples anyway) I just ran Nolva at 20mg ED for 2 weeks and things were back to normal, but in your case, 40mg would be better. Cheers Paul

09-05-2003, 11:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Raven Hardcore Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Bowery Posts: 845	Well if there's one thing I know about is gyno! Why are you doing such high doses!!!!!!!! For your first cycle you were taking up to a gram of deca! Deca will not aromitize on it's own but will make existing gyno worse (and very hard to treat) at it can activate the progestin hormone which is more or less dorment in males. How long a go did you finish your last cycle? I don't think the gyno was caused by your last cycle, I think it is caused by the gram of test you shot, Ethanate is the worst test for gyno IMO and you shouldn't be doing so much so quickly until you see how you react to it. I would take 40mg of nolva and hopefully it should take the soreness away and then take 20mg for the duration of the cycleright up to clomid. It's doubtfull that the lump will go completly away. Also cut the A-50 back to 50mg ED just it case the dreaded progestin gyno kicks in

09-05-2003, 07:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rio Ferreira Guest Posts: n/a	Raven, finished my 1st cycle recovery 3 days b4 starting 2nd cycle, so about 2 weeks ago... Gonna keep the A-bombs at 75 mg/day, and the test at 500mg/week, upping the nolva to 40mg/day till i see any improvements...stopping the cycle or cutting the doses is not an option. Wish me luck Thx for ur help, guys...really apreciate it...