stevebaker

I competed earlier in the year and have been off gear for around 13 weeks now. after i came off a done 30 day course of PCT tabs by RHOM labs and took 1500iu of hcg every other day for 2 weeks. felt great for month or so but i feel my natural test levels have dropped now. sex drive has dropped a little and feel pretty unmovtivated in the gym. i am looking to stay clean for at least another 2-3 months and maybe just use little IGF or GH.

any opinions on how i could raise my levels? should i stay away from proviron and hcg and go for more natural alternatives like a natural test booster? can anyone recomend any natural test boosters?

any advice is appreciated!

thestudbeast

If you look at the la muscle norteen thread it went onto a full on disussion of test booster between me and hacks. I personally am enjoying Diesel Test Hardcore but even the maker of this admits there can be a "LH loop" caused by spiked free test levels (so you may need to lower the recomended dose). Hack's was going to post all the one's he's used and has'nt worked that would be interesting.

Here's the ingredients of the one I'm using:

Amount Per Serving	% Daily Value
B-6(Pyridoxine HCL)	3mg	150%
Zinc(as Monomethionine)	5mg	34%
Selenium(as L-Selenomethionine)	30mcg	42%
Copper(Chelated)	250mcg	13%
Proprietary Blend	1671mg	*
Gelatinized Maca Root, Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed)(Min. 20% Lcarrin), Nettle Root (Urtica Dioica), Avena Sativa (Standardized For Avenacosides A&B), Acetyl L-Carnitine, Bulgarian Tribulus Terrestris (Min. 20% Protodioscin), Lecithin, Di-Indolyl-Methane (DIM), Panax Ginseng, Rhodiola Rosea, Rosemary, Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack), Dodder Seed, Gynostemma, Cnidium Monnieri, Bioperine

I'm deffinatly interested to hear if there's a non-natural route to all this (apart from testosterone that is!)

Aftershock

This stuff "Tongkat Ali" is good. It is supposed to stop the androgen receptors in the body noticing there has been an increase in test, so it just keeps pumping it out without a negative LH Loop, it also binds to SHBG so increases "free" test.

It does work but as with any natural product dot expect miracles. I was taking 200mg of 1:100 extract per day. Google it!

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thestudbeast

Cycle 5 days on 2 days off to get best results from tongkat ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack).

stevebaker

some people so injectable vit B complex can help raise natural levels? how about taking proviron or small amounts of hcg how would this affect your test levels?

toxictoffee

have a high carb diet until you feel recovered (plenty of empirical evidence on the pro/carbs ratio to do this) and aim to use meds which eleveate test levels not libido

stevebaker

any advice on meds to take? i want to stay off the gear but want to raise natural test and libido.... anyone know any decent site to purchase quality Tongkat ali from ??

Harry

I get mine from here...


http://www.therootofthematter.ca/cgi...ootofthematter

jjb1

i found test-9meth from inner armour good in pct i imagine most of the stuff that is simular to it being as good, i used it for 4 weeks with pct over 2 months ago but then stopped and stayed off another month and a half, i wish i stayed on it as i found like you a loss of interest almost no focus or go in the gym,but after 6 to 8 weeks off i found i was fine on nothing ..... i do use zinc magnesium in higher doses when off though

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Does making yourself angry raise test levels? (just a dumb question)

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jjb1

exercise can i belive.......not sure on just rage lol

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Also porn according to Hacks

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thevoice

100mg of zinc split into 2 50mg doese (am and pm) is meant to be very effective at bringing test levels up, i forget the doctors name but he is a hormone guru in the states and he said he has treated many with this protocol

thestudbeast

Too much Zinc can be detrimental 30-50mg in split doeses seems to be the norm ( not saying I know for sure 100mg is too much). Also more importantly make sure you pick the right type of zinc as some forms are very poorly absorbed.