hackskii

I have a friend at work and all he does is test.
8 weeks on and 4 weeks off with no PCT.
He looks good and lean. He was skinny before and about 8-10 years later looks great @ about 42 yrs old. His hair is thinning though.

now he is doing like 10 on and 4 weeks off and he has been cycling like this for years, never took a break and never did pct.

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Jimmy

Ive very rarely used pct myself!

If the doses dont go too high, then there isnt much need for it anyway

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Jimmy

heres somthing UK GEAR from Biohazard posted to me regarding bridging with dianabol, its very interesting, and although its off this topic a little, I think its quite a good read!


Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?

Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?

Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.



He pops 10mgs of dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)

5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:

Beginning: LOW LH and test.

Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.

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turbo

Ive read that article before jimmy, but id be interested in seeing actual results backed up by testosterone level tests, as i would have thought that even taking 10mg in the mornings would not let natural test production resume much at all. Otherwise, nearly all bodybuilders would be running 10mg dbol for 8 weeks after a cycle before starting pct, especially if it would make sure that their natural test levels were already at 80->90% after that time.

Interesting theory though.

hackskii

The fact that it is anti-catabolic is good in itself.
When you go off a big cycle elevated levels of catabolic hormones can ruin your gains(post cycle).
Maybe on the shorter cycles like 6 weeks the d-bol theory might be good.

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Jimmy

I hear what your saying mate but the 80-90% recovery was the LH levels, not the test levels.

Also, I know a lot of top level amatures and a few in the lower end of the pro ranks. Thes guys (or a lot of them) dont ever come off at all so they need no bridge. I'm not saying one should or shouldnt do this but its a lot better than staying on eh???

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megatron

EEk, I have been blinded with science. Imagine me nodding in the corner pretending to understand.:confused:



Hackski: i have a question - is it right that after I do a workout that my jaw should also feel tired (in the exact way you described it) and that its a real effort to eat anything for about an hour or so. especially given that im not taking anything to enhance myself.