Tinytom

I'm not posting this as a detriment to Methyl Trienolone or OxyTest. Both are very strong products and gave me awesome results.

However I know that a few guys on this forum might not be aware of the strength of such compounds and as such I am posting this as both an education and a warning. Education so that you can see how the combination affected me and warning so you can see how the drugs affected me.

If you read my random ramblings on my diet/gear threads you'll be aware that I'm a sad individual who lives bbing i.e. no alcohol, no recreational drugs, strict diet, intense training. basically all the buzz words out of Flex.

So I completed my 5 weeks high androgen course and had some awesome noticeable results, I was thicker and stronger and my muscle volume has increased visibly from before the course.

I had a blood test after 2 weeks off so as to assess the damage.

The results were fine apart from

Liver Bilirubin - increased from 24 to 28 (normal levels 3-22)

Kidney - slight creatinine levels due to muscle mass

RBC - slightly dry due to me not drinking enough water and eating too much protein

Basically my body is stressed from the liver toxins and the protein I was eating has caused my kidney to be less efficient at excreting waste. And my blood is a bit drier due to dehydration.

It should be noted that my cholesterol was perfect as were every other criteria.

The doctor (with his little steroid notebook that all doctors have) suggested that nandrolone could have caused the liver problem, apparently nandrolone has been linked to certain liver tumours involving bilarubin output.

I suggested that the probable cause was actually Methyl Trien which was a derivative of nandrolone as I've used NPP for years and never had this level of problem.

Anyway I was glad not to get a steroids are evil talk from the GP but he (obviously) suggested that I have a break from competing for a while.

I thought about this for about 2 microseconds and then decided that I would indeed compete at the British. He wouldnt clear me for doing this (as it would be condoning gear use) but he did say that I wasnt about to die from liver cancer so thats good enough for me.

However I think that from now on I will definately be using MT only for short courses and only once a year at the most.

I also wont be using known high liver toxic compounds together again.

As I said at the beginning, I'm not slating these products, I knew the risks when I used them and I got AWESOME results from them. Just a word to those guys who maybe dont get bloods done on a regular basis. I am feeling totally fine with no noticeable problems, it was only after this test that these issues were highlighted.

Anyway just thought I'd share that with you, even if you do everything right you can still fall foul of some problems.

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Tinytom

Just so its clear

I'm not in anyway saying that Oxytest or Methyl Trien (whichever lab it comes from) should be avoided.

What Im saying is that there's maybe a certain forgetfulness amongst new users about the risks involved with the most powerful products and certain stacks should be used with caution.

Both these compounds gave me incredible results and in bbing results is what matters.

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In total agreement with your statements Tom, we arent getting any younger and although im not immortal i want to be around for a while yet. I want an early retirement, but not from bodybuilding becouse of ill health!

For next my cycle a full blood analysis will be done, something i havent done in while... shame on me!

For those of you who look good on the outside... what are your insides like, not as good for some peeps i bet!? :confused:

Nytol

Excellent post, and even though your liver values are a bit elevated, they are certainly not in the, 'about to drop dead', range that some less informed individuals and forums would have you believe is inevitable, if you some much as look at a Methyl tren vial,

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mickus

Good post tinytom, its nice to be informed on things like this and educate the un-educated I think I might get some blood test run after my next cycle to see where I stand considering that I only uses orals and they are harsh on the liver even more than injectables....

mickus

Hay tom just a quick question, are you now stuck with that liver damage for life or will it repair itself over time with the right care and supps???

ah24

Mickus...i do believe that the liver is actually the only organ that can repair itself. Apprently if you chopped your liver in half, it will grow back to upto 2/3's of the original size!

Im going to look a real tw@t if someone comes on and corrects me lmao - but im pretty sure i heard that somewhere!

ah24

Googled it quickly, this quote is from http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk

"The liver is the only body organ that can grow back. Even if you have more than half your liver removed, it can grow back to normal size in a matter of weeks."

mickus

AH24 cheers lad, well time to start smashing my liver with orals again LOL

Aftershock

Mickus his liver isn't damaged he just has elevated Bilirubin levels which means it has been working harder to rid the body of the toxins. Thankfully the liver has remarkable regenerative ability as long as it inst continuity's stressed over long periods of time.

Nice post tom, I think the key here (as in all things) is to use these drugs sensibly and in moderation. The real problems will only occur if people use and stack products indiscriminately and use them over extended periods in a "get big quick" approach.

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I like you tinytom have recently had blood tests, i wanted to have them done after like yourself being on a heavy androgen cycle.

The cycle contain test prop, tren acetate and oxymethalone, it also contained 3 shots a week prior to trainining of oxytest and Methytrienolone/cheque drops mix which i tried hormone solutions version and also hardcore labs.

This cycle lasted for 8 weeks, planned for 10 weeks but got injured and couldn't trained so stoped the cycle short. Good results from cycle up 10lbs in bodyweight and looked leaner than usual, and also good strength levels.

Anyway I got my liver and kidneys tested, all was 100% fine and in normal ranges only thing that had elevated was creatinine levels like you TT.

Also tested for diebetes, due to having on off use of insulin for the past 8 months again all clear.

robdog

Good post Thomas. Its always worth while getting your bloods done regular.

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Yah as Robdog said Good boy Tom.

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Pscarb

Tom you know my thoughts on the test's mate and again applaud you for getting them done....

Guys you are all focusing on the drugs that have caused the raise in liver values and i am not saying they are not to blame, But the doc also said tom was dehydrated this coupled with the high amounts of Protein will contribute to the raised levels.

Please do not think i am dismissing the gear as the cause and i am sure the cycle tom was on had a contributing factor but i do think that their are other factors involved...

plus their is the other cause the fact Tom is a short dwarf with a obsession for men

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Tinytom

You must be glad that you're not in danger of my advances then.

I am having another blood test done after the British finals to check that I have returned to a normal level.

I wont be using harsh liver compounds coming up to the British so the bilirubin levels should drop.

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