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    broscience vs science, do you?

    just a quick question, all my gear use has been based on researching forums and people telling me what theyve done. and to be frank ive ****ed up a few times due to this, and am now fairly reluctant on using gear as i dont know how im gonna react etc. dont get me wrong ive ploughed through thousands of threads but everyones findings vary so its best to set a baseline using articles i guess.

    does anyone actually read scientific studies and if so where can i access this stuff? preferably o paying lol but either way. ive never actually seen any articles online

    i know aus and empire boy were big on this, but i dunno where i can find studies, id feeel more comfortable using if i knew exactly whats happening from a scientific pov.

    thanks guys

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    most use pubmed for research papers , remember tho forums like this are one big research facility with more input than alot of studies , i.e do a search for tren and cross reference the sides ppl are getting , do the same for anavar , etc etc , then look at the compounds mode of action.
    if you have the time and patience to cross reference ppls experiences with a compound its pretty easy to build up a picture of sides/expected effects/dosages etc etc.

    *make sure you read the papers thoroughly on pubmed , some ppl were famous for posting studies here that had nothing to do with what they were saying if you read them , i.e wrong subject or non human
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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    your not gonna find studies for PEDS on athletes weightlifters bodybuilders or any lifters .

    you will find that dianabol was created to beat the russians during the usa/soviet olympic era .
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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingagain View Post
    just a quick question, all my gear use has been based on researching forums and people telling me what theyve done. and to be frank ive ****ed up a few times due to this, and am now fairly reluctant on using gear as i dont know how im gonna react etc. dont get me wrong ive ploughed through thousands of threads but everyones findings vary so its best to set a baseline using articles i guess.

    does anyone actually read scientific studies and if so where can i access this stuff? preferably o paying lol but either way. ive never actually seen any articles online

    i know aus and empire boy were big on this, but i dunno where i can find studies, id feeel more comfortable using if i knew exactly whats happening from a scientific pov.

    thanks guys
    Alot of what people say on forums is person specific, some is hear say and some is just rubbish lol. I've read some of these research papers and alot of it is like trying to read a foreign language.
    Your best bet is to use some of the most experienced members on here for advice rather than just reading through threads.

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    Real life experiences from people on here are far more useful than a medical study carried out on guys who don't train and tbh when you read them you probably won't understand them anyway!

    Just sieve through the BS and you'll be fine, it's not rocket science, all the relevant info you want and need to know is in the stickies anyway...
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    I have never seen any relevant studies linked on here how does aids patients using 300mg of oxy's mean anything to us. Also didnt you do numerous cycles close together and go out getting drunk all the time on cycle? you didnt fu*k up because you didnt listen to science you fuc*ed up because you did retarded stuff.
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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingagain View Post
    just a quick question, all my gear use has been based on researching forums and people telling me what theyve done. and to be frank ive ****ed up a few times due to this, and am now fairly reluctant on using gear as i dont know how im gonna react etc. dont get me wrong ive ploughed through thousands of threads but everyones findings vary so its best to set a baseline using articles i guess.

    does anyone actually read scientific studies and if so where can i access this stuff? preferably o paying lol but either way. ive never actually seen any articles online

    i know aus and empire boy were big on this, but i dunno where i can find studies, id feeel more comfortable using if i knew exactly whats happening from a scientific pov.

    thanks guys
    There are very few studies on the dosages that bbers use, shalinder bahsin did a good one and there are a couple more that i can't remember at the moment.
    you could also invest in a secondhand book by charles yesalis called anabolic steroids in sport and exercise (probs the best, most relevant book you will ever read) also you could read my sticky, steroids: everything you ever wanted to know.
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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    IMO broscience is just experience that hasn't been scientifically validated yet, assuming it's sensible advice.

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    Pubmed for ever.

    Broscience = bollox.

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by kingdale View Post
    I have never seen any relevant studies linked on here how does aids patients using 300mg of oxy's mean anything to us. Also didnt you do numerous cycles close together and go out getting drunk all the time on cycle? you didnt fu*k up because you didnt listen to science you fuc*ed up because you did retarded stuff.
    nah mate I did 3 cycles over I think 2and a half years, last 2were close together and in between there was a lot of drink coz I was shutdown depressed and suicidal as ****. :|, so get your facts straight bud

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingagain View Post
    last 2were close together and in between there was a lot of drink
    I wasnt far off.

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    What ****ed me up was prolactin, not gonna mention names but I asked some of the wisest on this board, some said use caber, other said if U control estrogen with adex prolactin won't be a prob - don't get me wrong non of these guys owe me anything and I appreciate the help, but what im saying is there are conflicting opinions blah blah... Might aswell close the thread as I know its just gonna turn into an argument, which I can't be ****ed with right now

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    would be interesting to hear who one of the 'wisest on the board' is , remember ppl and doctors alike get things wrong sometimes , at the end of the day its up to you to do your own research and make the choice whether or not to believe what someone is saying over the internet without looking into it yourself or getting a proper medical opinion , after all , as far as AAS are concerned you are also taking a hormone your body does not need in 'x' amount so there is a chance something may go wrong.
    imo if you are going to take AAS look into every possibility before doing anything , personally i think some of the ppl that post here take more time and interest in ironing a shirt rather than looking into what taking a powerful hormone might do to them.
    (ironing a shirt can be interchanged with, buttering toast, tying shoelaces etc etc )
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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    bro science if your interested in bodybuilding..if your worried about the longterm sides of gear
    use on your body ide avoid taking them in the first place ;-)

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    Re: broscience vs science, do you?

    The best thing to is to seek out the experts to do it for you. People who lift, train people, practice what they preach and know how to read studies.

    The best person I can think of is Alan Aragon. Go to his website which has a lot of free stuff. You can subscribe to his research review update and he does all the hard work for you. He's a nice chap, down to earth and sometime quite funny too.

    There is good research and bad research. Science that is proven that works, science which is unproven and theoretically rationalised and worth trying out (good bro-science) and stuff that people reverse engineer to rationalise the crap they do and enjoy (bad bro-science).

    The big issue with science in training is scientific studies need controlled variables to have credibility and the average human in the real world can't do this. Things like stress levels, interrupted sleep, food variances. Different levels of experience, plateaus and threshold closeness.

    Training progressing isn't linear once your get past the beginner stage. but neglecting all science on this basis is just dumb though. It's great for finding a good starting point.

    The best thing to do is try something tried and tested. Do it until it stops working. Evaluate weakness and change to something that in theory should address those weakness. Rinse and repeat. If you squint, it's almost science.

    However with nutrition, things are more clear cut, but not 100% for anyone. I find it laughable that people spend so much time reading about suppliments and diets, yet have spent no time on looking into how the digestive system works on a biological level. I don't mean PhD, with some basic science you can see how much ****e is spouted off by the nutrition companies and tell the ****e broscience from a mile off.

    People who spout on about insulin spiking are the worst culprits here.

    Anyhoo, enough rambling.

 

 

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