BadGirl

Just like my title - a pre contest cycle 12 weeks of gear - but as cheap as possible - designed for a bloke who is about 45-50lbs of show condition.
But very very skint indeed.
In fact if he could only do 8 weeks it would help him a lot.

Go on enlighten me please, I guessed on sus250 up to a few weeks out, some clen and T3 maybe but erm thats all I could come up with.

Dont ask for a budget as he doesnt have one - he going to have to raise the cash once the cycle is planned - so the less it would cost the better. I know he doesnt get ripped on his prices - at least.

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Darryn

How about sust 250mg per week, t3 at 50 to 100mcg ed for 4 weeks then tapered down. 50mg winny ed for last 2 to 3 weeks. Add some anti-e for water retention, then use sodium manipulation to clear last bit of water in the 10 days leading up to the comp.
There are loads of other wee tricks to look more cut, what type of comp are we talking about, or is it just for the beach?

Darryn

If money would stretch far enough a vial of test prop for the last week or so before comp would allow him to lower test gradually to keep water down. Assuming sust is stopped a 2 weeks + out

Panthro

dont think you can do it on the cheap! Exp at 40-50lbs off condition... wait till next year IMO!!! (and at that size with knowledge of past experience of cycles, he'll need more than 250mg sust!!! JMO)

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Darryn

I know it's opinion and personal reaction, but I would guess 250mg sust would be enough to counter the catabolism of T3. 40 to 50lbs is a tall order for 12 weeks. If the competition is high quality then Panthro is spot on , it'd be best to wait. If it's a smaller local comp then he may get away with a little more.

The details of the comp and the stats of the person in question would be helpful .

I have a similar time scale myself to get lean but for a comp with a friend and I don't plan to lose any more than 15lbs in that time. It's a tall order!

BadGirl

Thank you guys.
Which bring me on to what I was thinking anyway - that if money is that big a problem wait - save up and bring it to the table next year.
But playing along - this is what the other half came up with.

sust 250 - like this mon, wed, fri, sun, tue, thurs, sat, mon
up until 3 1/2 weeks out - this is the biggest single expense i would reckon.

3 1/2 weeks out run 1 bottle of test prop a week - thats 3 bottle total required.

Run Clen and ECA right through the 12 weeks - and suck it and see with what the clen sets you back as the does will gradully increase

have a box of nolva on hand just in case.

run proviron from 3 weeks at 75mg a day

T3 for 12 weeks at 100mcg a day

One box of cytadren for the last week, and some lasix for last minute dryness.

He thinks that covers the bases

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Panthro

i aint a fan of diuretics.. very dangerous unless you've got a Doc on hand. There are many otherways to dry out without using those IMO..

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Biker

that's a lot to lose in that time....

How about T3 and T4 combined along with some ephedrine/clen on 2 weeks on 2 weeks off?

use a cheap test that's easy to work with, say iranian enanth? 500mg a week.

I know this isn't going to be a popular suggestion but if I had to lose that much in that time I would be using DNP. I found it best/safest taken like this, I measure pulse rate etc throughout to judge best when to increase dose etc.

I think 5 day cycles like this are ideal for me:
Day 1 200mg
Day 2 200mg
Day 3 200mg
Day 4 400mg
Day 5 400mg

Really I would need to know what the budget is? if you can't afford the meds IMHO the person will be wasting their time and is in the wrong game...

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BadGirl

Panthro: so what keep the lasix back if at all possible - which is sensible anyway - and let the sodium loading process do its work instead.
Or do you want to pm me with another suggestion

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BadGirl

biker: DNP - interesting suggestion.
I think the idea is to not just throw everything including the kitchen sink in the cycle -as many competitors do - but rather take the lighest approach to the assistance side of the equation.

Maybe the question should be whats the minium amount of gear to get a heavy weight ready - im not giving big details i know - but lets say even with 50lbs off this guy is going to come in above 220!

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Biker

well at this stage growth is not what he's going to be after fat loss is what's important, 500mg of test is more than ample to hold on to muscle all the rest of his money should be concentrated on the use of fat loss products. More test will jsut = more water to lose at the end!

DNP is nasty **** and it can kill you if abused but it works better than any other fat loss product period!

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Biker

BTW a few days of almost no water and only coffee shifts most water problems!

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Jock

I think 500mg of Test should be used if he is going to use T3, if he is worried about water then go with Prop.

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Panthro

and a bit of white wine helps too! Not forgetting very high doses of Vit C

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Biker

at 500mg water shouldn't really be a major issue, later weeks of the cycle I would encourage nolva ED.

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