Stone

Do you guys know or have any journals or articles I could read written by academics about the long term use of steroids. Of course, Im looking for an unbased view.

I would like to run a long cycle next which will be 500-750mg of t enan from september to march and adding say tren in the first 6 weeks, next 6 weeks will just be test, next 6 weeks will npp, next 6 week just test etc etc.

Im currently on my 6th cycle, never gone longer for 10 weeks and biggest cycle is 750mg ew t enan.
Rest have been prop/tren, prop/npp, test dbol, and tbol.
Current is t enan 500mg ew for 12 weeks.

What I would like to know is, would long term cycles harm my natural test levels later on even though I follow the correct pct protocol?

I want to have kids later on, not in the near future but yeah, in the next few years, was just wonder if I am endangering my chance of this by going on a 6-7 month cycle.

Any help would be great, thanks in advance.

megatron

You will be very hard pushed to find any scientific studies relating to this as human subjects are hard to come by ;)

but I think most guys would advise from personal experience that longer cycles will shut you down more. Weather it will affect your sperm production would probably vary per individual - I doubt anyone could give you a yes or no answer. It's probably much safer though, to just run shorter cycles.

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Great White

As Megatron said, there is no "Yes/no" answer.

Everyone is different, some people struggle to recover from 6 week cycles, some can recover easy from 20 weekers.

It all depends on you, and also the percausions you take both before, during and off cycle.

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Great White

Sorry meant to add.

The only way to find out, unfortuntally is to try it.

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Stone

Ouch, thats pretty harsh lol, try it to find out.

Although I do agree on some point but I dont want to end up worse off and have a low natural test count. If I already had kids, I probably wouldnt come off, would just get bloods done every quarter or half of the year since I dont drink or smoke.

Great White

If you stick to a stable dosage and dont go over the top, get regular blood work done (every 3 - 4 months) keep an eye on everything then I cant see much of a problem.

Just remember to look after your insides with plenty of vits and herbs and water.

Most important, if you feel your body is telling you to stop, then stop.

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I would assume if you take into account what everyone would do after just 10 weeks for PCT... what the hell would be needed after 7 months of roids. Would you even have nuts left if you dont use HCG throughout? Wont you also wear out your receptors and not respond as much to the various steroids even though you switching them every 6 weeks or so?

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Truth of the matter is long cycles are damaging in many, many ways

I know a guy who was been on for over 3 years holding over 20 stone, and while it wouldnt be fair for me to detail everything. In a nutshell he is in a mess, either come off and lose size and depression that comes with massively fluctuating hormone levels. Or as i suspect he will be on for life now, unless something bad happens that opens his eyes


"I follow the correct pct protocol?" Can anyone ever say EXACTLY what is correct protocol...ive seen people try almost every method under the sun.And come the end of PCT they shrink/get depressed/have sexual function problems (but thats ok take another tab for that)

Point being really aint great and only a small(wrong word) select go about things in a half sensible manner.

Pscarb

the correct PCT protocol is one that restores blood levels to normal range and you have no atrophy and to answer the question yes i do follow a PCT protocol that lets my body recover as i get bloods carried out before each cycle and after PCT....

In 2004/5 i was on constantly for 15months although i did not have any issue whilst on which was down to how i designed my cycle when i did finally came off after the British Finals in 2005 i crashed very badly and it took me 8months to return to normal in those 8month blood levels of Test/FSH etc where unreadable.....

you can be sure of one thing if you intend to stay on for a long time then you need to be prepared to come off for a long time as well and in this time off you will be depressed and moody as your Test base has been depleted.....

BritBull the guy you speak of can come off but the crash will be huge he just needs to see that out as he will be better for him in the long run.....

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IMO/IME Bloods and numbers only tell a very small part of the story

Not looking to debate it's JMO, on a side note the big guys i know coming off and everything that involves is not an option for them(sad i know)

I am a real cynic and will always be of the opinion that AAS can and often are very damaging..Albeit in a silent way

Edit...Paul I would put you in the 1% of guys that go about things in a sensible way, hence my opinions above do apply and have merit

Aftershock

I did a 7 month cycle once (never again) when I came off I had to re-run PCT 3 times and it was 6 months post cycle that I became fertile again. But in reality true recovery took probably a year.

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Pscarb

totally agree i also have an EKG once every 12-18months but i have a very understanding Doc

This is a fair one then i do know of guys who very rarely come off gear but saying that i know guys who have never stopped smoking and drinking....

Again we agree AAS can be very damaging and more so for the younger uses who unfortunately get blinded by NBAS, i do think that as long as courses are designed properly with suitable off time to recover then the damage is very limited.....my Doc did say to me once that after using steroids your body will at some point return to normal by itself look at women who are on the pill this stops there periods via hormones for years in some women decades but after stopping the pill periods nearly always return unassisted....she said your body will always return to base level at some point.

I agree mate not disagreeing with you in a whole but i do like to point out that where used and not abused steroid use is not harmful and to date as not killed as many as smoking or drinking has....if you see my point

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Per user?

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yes this is what i say too,use it dont abuse it.i think 12 weeks is fine for a course dont think theres any need for longer cycles unless your using GH.whatever lenth off time i go on i come off the same amount or sometimes more.clean it all out.

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What do you mean mate "Per User"

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