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Old 28-05-2007, 01:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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i had been off the gear for about 6 months, it took me about 5 months to recover from my last cycle! felt sh*tty for ages! so i decided to try running a very short low dose cycle & hoping that i shall recover from it alot easier.
my cycle quite simply:
test prop 100mg eod for 3 weeks (10 shots)

my PCT:
Nolva 20mg 40 days
clomid 50mg 15 days.

currently 2 weeks into the cycle, 5 lbs up & feeling good with limited sides. Just as I planned i shall continue to run short low dose cycles in the future.
my question: is the PCT adequate?
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well done for waiting till your fully recovered.

even with just 3 weeks of prop id run a little hcg at the end for peace of mind and to ensure quickest recovery.
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3 weeks wouldn't feel long enough to me, 6 is a decent short course, after all if your gona do it at all it may as well be proper lol!

PCT length looks more than adequate, some HCG on hand wouldn't hurt for sure and speeds recovery of the nuts enormously.

Out of interest, what effects did you have that made you feel you hadn't recovered, even months down the line? and what compounds did you use Deca?

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I actually think you will still experience shutdown, albeit much futher down the line:(
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try it is all i will say

3 weeks on, 3 weeks off
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i had been off the gear for about 6 months, it took me about 5 months to recover from my last cycle! felt sh*tty for ages! so i decided to try running a very short low dose cycle & hoping that i shall recover from it alot easier.
my cycle quite simply:
test prop 100mg eod for 3 weeks (10 shots)

my PCT:
Nolva 20mg 40 days
clomid 50mg 15 days.

currently 2 weeks into the cycle, 5 lbs up & feeling good with limited sides. Just as I planned i shall continue to run short low dose cycles in the future.
my question: is the PCT adequate?

Hey bro, can you tell me what you took on your cycle that made you shut down?
I have some ideas here on why.

Can you tell me what you took, how long you took them and if you took time off between cycles?

5 month supression is not uncommon, but then again there are factors here that have a common thread for this condition.

Recovery is not that difficult but certain things should be done or avoided to have success in recovery.
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try it is all i will say

3 weeks on, 3 weeks off
How would you run a 3on3 off Jim? and what PCT would you run in the 3off section?

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Re: very short cycle
i wouldnt SD

i would run 3 on/off two or three times in succesion, then take a long break with standard pct

no one fully recovers from the usual 10 on 10 off type cycle anyway...we all need a long break sooner or later
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i would run 3 on/off two or three times in succesion, then take a long break with standard pct

no one fully recovers from the usual 10 on 10 off type cycle anyway...we all need a long break sooner or later
So 13 week cycle inclusive of 9 weeks injecting and 4 weeks rest followed by PCT. Does that really work? I could imagine shut down happening even with breaks because aren't the breaks too short to allow recovery? That is if thats what the breaks were for?

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Out of interest, what effects did you have that made you feel you hadn't recovered, even months down the line? and what compounds did you use Deca?

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hi mate, my weight kept slowly declining as did my strength. my training & diet were spot on but kept getting colds, generally feeling ****, always tired, low sex drive, atrophied nuts, mild bouts of depression.i took a small amount of time out of training to check i wasnt overtrainied, it didnt help.
After about 5 months i started to feel more virile, sex drive was up & had a general feeling of well being. i used test e 750mg a week, NPP 400mg a week & tbol.
i believe that the NPP was possibly deca (nandrolone deconoate) tbh. the cycl lasted about 12 weeks in total
my PCT involved HCG & nolva but not clomid.
i dont think i'll ever do a cycle that long again.
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Hey bro, can you tell me what you took on your cycle that made you shut down?
I have some ideas here on why.

Can you tell me what you took, how long you took them and if you took time off between cycles?

5 month supression is not uncommon, but then again there are factors here that have a common thread for this condition.

Recovery is not that difficult but certain things should be done or avoided to have success in recovery.
hey scott, as above mate. also i did a cycle previous to the 1 mentioned about 2 months before, using test & anadrol. tbh i dont think i fully recovered from this before startin the nxt cycle.
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i wouldnt SD

i would run 3 on/off two or three times in succesion, then take a long break with standard pct

no one fully recovers from the usual 10 on 10 off type cycle anyway...we all need a long break sooner or later
i agree, i dont think anybody really recovers within a few months, they just do the next cycle. every1 try taking 6 months off & u'll see what i mean
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hi mate, my weight kept slowly declining as did my strength. my training & diet were spot on but kept getting colds, generally feeling ****, always tired, low sex drive, atrophied nuts, mild bouts of depression.i took a small amount of time out of training to check i wasnt overtrainied, it didnt help.
After about 5 months i started to feel more virile, sex drive was up & had a general feeling of well being. i used test e 750mg a week, NPP 400mg a week & tbol.
i believe that the NPP was possibly deca (nandrolone deconoate) tbh. the cycl lasted about 12 weeks in total
my PCT involved HCG & nolva but not clomid.
i dont think i'll ever do a cycle that long again.
I had that before, its aweful, I think not only your in shutdown but I think your thyroid is shutdown too, hence the fatigue, only thing that picked me up again was another cycle lol! Then after PCT I was fine.

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the idea of the breaks are to allow baggio to stay in the realms of normal...ataying on messes with him, so the short breaks just take the edge off

but a long clean out is needed in the end no matter what
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i think you followed chefX cycles for a bit....remember how much better you felt off and on nice and short?

my balls stayed normal nearly the whole time on his cycles!
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