Bulldog

I know this has been touched on some but had a question or two to those who have injected in the calves and pecs.
First let me say I dont grow well in leg department that is until I stopped jabbing the glutes and hit the thighs. I did 2 injections in both thighs over a 2 week period of deca and test. I saw an inch gain, WOW, for me. So now Im looking at calves (2 times each) and pecs (2times each) to see if I gain there.

Two questions are is it painful in the pec?
And - I am done with deca and have only test left, will I see the gaines using test only? Remember the gaines I saw in thighs was with deca/test combo.

Any other info you find beneficial to me please let it fly....Thanks

hackskii

I would probably PM Biker for the most thorough answer. Seen some of his posts and he covers this nicely about binding esters and the oil in the muscles and fascia.

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Bulldog

Thanks Hacksii , I think Im off to bed , maybe he might leave a post until then...

Biker

There's a lengthy post by me somewhere in this forum about site injections and growth, really unless you're using ester free gear I can't see it being of much benefit, fascia stretching does work a little but really you need to be using either a lot of oil or SEO.

Winstrol or test suspension IMHO will encourage a small amount of site growth.

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www.spotinjections.com should be worth a look for you.

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hackskii

Ok this is a copy off of another board where Biker explaines it quite well.

site injections - my theory (Biker).

Many people think that if you inject the steroid into a muscle it will bind to that muscle particularly faster acting ester steroids such as prop if it has an ester I say it DOES NOT, I'm now going to try and explain why I believe it doesn't. They may cause some local growth through stretching the muscle but then any oil based steroid with an ester will be as effective as prop etc.

It’s simple, once I explain the whole ester thing. Esterification is a process where a carboxylic acid is attached to the steroid molecule. This makes it more difficult for the blood to pick it up and carry it into circulation, and likewise slows the rate the drug can leave the injection site. As a result, an inactive deposit of steroid can sit at the site of injection, releasing slowly for days or weeks into the blood stream. Once free in the blood the ester is removed quickly by enzymes, and the base steroid is rendered active. Different esters take longer than others at one end we have esters like Propionate with quite a short life and at the other end we have esters like Decanoate with a long life.

The esterified steroids you inject are useless at binding to the local receptors (or to any receptors) until the ester is removed. Once the ester is removed the steroid is active.

The place where 98% of the ester will be removed is in the blood stream. 2% in the muscle cell. The enzymes which remove the esters are found in the blood stream.

So when you site inject a drug like deca, it has to be taken from the injection site, into the blood stream where the ester is removed making it active.

So, when the gear is active, it has left the muscle it was injected into and is in the blood stream, now every muscle has as good chance in binding with the steroid. The steroid will bind with the androgen receptor, making a hormone-receptor complex, then enters the cell nucleus, where it binds to DNA, and you grow!

That of course leaves ester free gear.

If the steroid doesn't have an ester, then a small (and I mean small!) percentage of the steroid can bind directly with the receptor of the injected muscle, before the majority of it is released into the blood stream. This will help to increase the growth of the local muscle.

Types of drugs to use. Winstrol, Test Suspension, injectible Anadrol, Injectable Dbol, and I'm sure some others that I can't think of at the moment.

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miami797

youll grow alot with just test..you dont need the deca with test to grow..

and i think that spot injectins are crap unless its just to rotate injection sites....injecting test in your calves will make them no bigger then what youre doing now......if this was the true about spot injections most people here would have j-lo a$ses and i would have much bigger delts then i do now....i go in my delts ed-eod and they grow just as much as the rest of me...

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Panthro

EXACTLY!! I agree with this for most gear, but as biker will inform you, there is defo a case for un-esterised gear helping a bit..

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Jock

It's not growth mate it's scare tissue build up.

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miami797

either way its nonsence...it doesnt help anything get bigger then it is already..unless its somthing like 'synthesize pump n' pose' (posing oil) which is crap.....and their is a case for the non-esters but its still just a case and nothing to get all hyped up about..

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Bulldog

Maybe it was just coincidence then. I did have to quit squating because of back pain and go to leg routines in place. So maybe the change caused the growth.

Biker

why is posing oil crap?

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hackskii

I think there is application here with stubbern muscle groups. I have been saying for a long time about stretching the fascia out and seems nobody listens. You have a sack that surrounds the muscle and it is called fascia. If you fill out the fascia then you are limited to the amount of growth the muscle fits into the fascia. Granted this is a genetic disposition thing but fact of the matter if you stretch out the fascia then there is more room for growth of the muscle. This can be done a couple of ways.
1. Get a big pump then extreme stretch the muscle group that is pumped.
2. Site injections with a fast acting ester like suspension.
3. load that area up with oil, might not matter if it is EQ or cyp or anything but if the muscle is tight and you flex it then there will be some stretching in the immediate area.

The problem I have is with #3. I have known guys that abuse #3. More is not better, they get ulsers or like hernia's of the fascia and it is not even nor symetrical. Looks big unflexed but jacked up flexed.
So using moderation there is some application for stubbern muscle groups but the old fashioned way of extreme stretching (which hurts) might be the way to go for more even stretching of the fascia.
Just

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Biker

I agree abuse of SEO is a bad thing but I know of bodybuilders that have used SEO and have later taken x-rays to prove they didn't and the oil was not present only muscle even although the size had been retained, I don't use it myself but I have a friend who used to for about 6 weeks and put 1" on his biceps, after a while he lost about .5 of that inch but he kept half of what he had gained, I think putting half an inch on your arms is pretty damn good for an advanced bodybuilder

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miami797

why is it crap? because it's fake muscle...
maybe it's cool if you're into bodybuilding and posing and all that stuff but it's not for me....

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