starboy

HOLA
been doing some reserch on this as a 1st cycle (if i decide to do it)
this is how it would look

wk 1-4 dbol 40 mg ed
wk 5 dbol 20 mg ed
wk 6 dbol 10 mg ed
Wk 7-10 tamoxi 20mg ed
wk 7-10 t-bomb II (natural TEST-BOOSTER) 6 tabs ed
wk 1-10 milk thisle 1000 mg ed
wk 1-10 cranberry extract tabs 1000mg ed

im 6ft, 30yrs, 150lbs, 5x5 single factor training (mon,wed,fri. squat,bench press,leg press, rows, oh press, pull downs) been training on+off for last 2 yrs
i aim to bulk, (want to get to 185lbs ultimately) am aware of h2o retension with d bol but aim to keep the maximum amount of gains once i come off cycle, should i add an AI to my pct??

DIET:
BREAKFAST: bowl porrage+fullfat milk whey sprinkled on

mid morning: 1 egg,1 toast, 1 bacon, 1 sausage

lunch: uncle bens rice/pasta+chicken breast/salmon/sirloin+salad and pint of milk

mid afternoon: 1 banana+1 apple+chocolate bar/peanuts

tea/dinner: a small portion of what im having for supper

supper: salmon/steak/chicken+uncle bens rice/pasta/potatoe+salad/greens

before bed 750ml fullfat milk+whey+flavourings ed

others: 3g creatine ed+1mg omega 3 fish oil+vit c ed+1 multi vit
2l of water through out day

suggestions from you guys would be much appreciated

rdangermouse

I think most people would advise running 30-40mg straight through and not taper off.

Harry

Diet is a mess, with minimal Protein (non quality) up until Lunch, so if you go to bed at say 1100hrs that's about 14-15hrs with no decent Protein.

Repost your diet in the diet section, until you get that and your training right, I wouldn't advise juice as it would really would be a waste of money at the moment.

If you still wish to do the cycle as above don't taper your Dbol, run a AI as Dbol is bad for gyno, but drop it for PCT, and I would change the PCT as I really don't think that doses will do too much.

Pscarb

Harry is correct to what he has said about your diet a better diet would be

DIET:
BREAKFAST: bowl porridge+ 2 scoops protein shake

mid morning: MRP drink + 1 piece fruit

lunch: uncle bens rice/pasta+chicken breast/salmon/sirloin+salad and pint of milk

mid afternoon: MRP drink + 1 piece fruit

tea/dinner: PWO drink consisting of 50g of carbs and protein

supper: salmon/steak/chicken+uncle bens rice/pasta/potato+salad/greens

before bed MRP drink + handful of nuts

I can see from your stats you are a hard gainer but you still need to eat quality protein and carbs and drop the choc bars in my opinion full fat milk has no place in a diet most use it in the belief it is a quick way of putting on weight but a better way would be to use water or semi-skimmed milk in protein shakes then add either nuts/seeds or peanut butter....

As for your course i don't understand why you want to taper the D/bol this is an outdated method that has been shown not to be the best way to use this drug stick to 40mg ed for the whole 6 weeks i would also run 20-40mg nolvadex with this to counter any gyno you may get this will also help with water retention.
you can use nolvadex in both the cycle and PCT...

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Pscarb Would you run the nolvadex 2 weeks before the end of the cycle? is it best to split up the daily dossages half in morning and half in evening, also excuses my lack of lingo knowledge but AI and PCT what do they stand for. soz for jumping on to the end of your tread mate.

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Pscarb

if you do not know how your body reacts to Steroids then use Nolvadex from the start of a cycle if you do know that you normally get symptoms after a cpl of weeks then start when the symptoms appear....

AI - Aromatase Inhibitors
PCT - Post Cycle Therapy (much more important than anything else in my opinion...)

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bassline boy

yeah when i first used d.bol many years ago i did the it the pyramid way and it was just a waste of time common practice is 40mg a day for the 6 weeks as said above no need to taper of any drug in my eyes just have a good pct at the end.

Harry

What about T3, T4, Letro, IGF, Tren (taper up), etc.. LOL

starboy

GRACIAS GUYS
comments much appreciated

will DEFO use the diet, Pscarb thanks for that!!!

does this look better re cycle????
wk 1-6 dbol 40 mg ed
wk 1-6 tamoxi 10mg ed
wk 7-10 tamoxi 20mg ed
wk 7-10 t-bomb II (natural TEST-BOOSTER) 6 tabs ed
wk 1-10 milk thisle 1000 mg ed
wk 1-10 cranberry extract tabs 1000mg ed

thanks

Pscarb

there is no need to taper any of the drugs you have given here harry...

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Harry

Paul are you saying that T3 doesn't need to be tapered down from say 125mcg, you can just stop without the taper?

Also on the Letro are you saying that you shouldn't taper down from say 2mg.

I'm not sure if I would ever want to run any of these without a taper, or are you just saying that if they are run at a low enough dose then they don't need a taper.

I know that Tren doesn't need to be tapered, but people who find they have aggression problems from it taper it up which drastically reduces the sides as it's introduced slowly.

megatron

Why not taper? sure you don't have to. but then you don't have to take PCT, you don't have to warm up for workouts.

I'm sure the body will find a gradual change much easier to cope with than a sudden one, that's just common sense.

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Tinytom

T3 should be tapered off, I'm sure Paul just didnt see that in the sentence

as for the rest there's no need, Letrozole doesnt because the action of Letrozole is to eliminate the aromatise enzyme which the body will restore after a few days so even if you taper the body is still restoring from nothing anyway.

As for tren making you angry and tapering off due to this factor, I would say if the anger is that much of an issue then that person shouldnt be using gear in the first place. I know a lot of guys who blame gear for their violent outbursts and they are still violent when off.

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Tinytom

Thats a sound theory but the best gains come from a shock to the receptors in my experience. Which is why many people front load their courses with high androgens.

also if you gradually increase the dose for 'comfort' then what you actually do is condition the body to a higher than normla level of homeostasis which is detrimental to PCT. If the body becomes used to higher levels then it will send a more pronounced 'crash' after PCT when levels drop below the new accepted level and the body then has to readjust.

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bassline boy

this is very true mate,i know some guys like this.nice post.