martinmuscles

Hi guys,

Just a quick question. Im currently using insulin in my cycle for the first time. Have noticed the full feeling already and it has only been 4 days. But I have a quick question regarding PWO Shake.

Because of the insulin (which i take immediately after training) my post workout shake consists of:

Dextrose 100g
Hydrolysed Whey 80g
Creatine 20g
Gltuamine 10g

Now I have been told of the virtues of Waxy Maize Starch (I know what your gonna say lads, "if it aint broke dont fix it!!", but I have been told WMS is a better alternative to Dextrose.

My question is seeing as Insulin is now part of my cycle, and that WMS is not a sugar like Dextrose, is it still safe to substitute the Dextrose for WMS and not risk the obvious consequences of Insulin?....Wouldnt I be safer ingesting a sugar such as Glucose or Dextrose whilst on Insulin??

Martin

DB

mate i use no dextrose in my PWO shake with insulin..

my PWO shake is

60g whey
60g WMS
40g oats
5g CEE

and i eat a banana just before i drink that

0 mins = slin jab
1 mins banana
2 mins= drink PWO shake half immediately rest over following 10 mins

75-90 mins solid meal

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Borris

your body can only use 5g of creatine cant it? so your wasteing 15g every serving.

martinmuscles

Thanks DB. Just had it stuck in my head that WMS wasnt a sugar and that I was going to drop down in front of a bus somewhere!! lol

Your right about the creatine Borris, but trust me Im using the worst creatine in the world......gonna have to put some cycle money towards some CEE I think!!

Martin

big pete

IF your thinking of going over to WMS, then take a gradual approach to things. say 80g dextrose/20g WMS, then next 60/40 split etc etc. but i do beleive some form of simple sugar should still be in there, just incase. cos if you hit a vein/capillary with the slin, then theres gonna be a quick spike that potentially you cant do much about.

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martinmuscles

Thanks Pete, Interesting.

Would like to get a few other opinions on this also...seems to be a little split.

DB

very good idea about moving into it slowly thats what i did....

i find dextrose makes me feel sick and kills my apitite for a meal later

O/T do u not aspirate with slin? if u inject it into a vein your in real ****

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big pete

i find that slin in general kills my appetite, the only thing that counteracts it is an intense session!!

of course, aspirate at all times, but if the pin moves about when jabbing, and your only the tiniest gap from entering the vein/capillary then **** can happen.

always gotta be cautious, especially with slin!

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tkd

Doesn't WMS replace glycogen faster than dextrose?

martinmuscles

Christ, dont even want to think about that!!

Had the misfortune of injecting Tren Ace straight into a vein once!!
Never had an experience like that before, put it this way, AT THE TIME I WAS DOING IT IF I HAD KNOWN A NUMBER FOR A FUNERAL DIRECTOR I WOULD HAVE CALLED HIM MYSELF!! lol....I actually have a smile on my face now when i get Tren Cough!!, means i missed the vein!!

But you wouldnt get that second chance with Slin!!!!!

DB

yeah agree defo better off being 100% safe when using slin..

nippin a capillary or a vein on the way out could be abit of shock but nothing too bad i hope!

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BodyUK

I found dextrose and maltodextrin made me feel bloated and gave me a dodgy belly so I switched over to WMS straight away and found all my problems solved; I didn't feel the need for a gradual change-over.

The problem with mixing WMS with dextrose is that WMS has a very low osmolality (a low level of osmotically active particles) whereas dextrose is the opposite (which is why WMS gets absorbed quicker than dextrose). This, therefore, interrupts the osmotic gradient that the WMS creates in your stomach and thus negates the benefits of it.

Whilst it isn't technically a sugar WMS can still cause an insulin spike, but as you're taking it PWO this helps to shuttle nutrients around your system quickly, which is kind of what you need anyway.

I even use WMS as an energy drink during my workout without any adverse effects; I also take some for my Karate sessions and have certainly noticed an increase in my energy levels.

So, go ahead, dive in to some lovely WMS - it tastes like cornflour but just keep reminding yourself that it's good for you. Get it from myprotein.co.uk where it's only £5.99 Kg at the moment and use referrer code MP16886 to get yourself 5% discount.

martinmuscles

Hi BodyUK. So can you just confirm one thing for me. I am cycling insulin for the first time, can I safely take WMS as my PWO Carbs and sugars to negate the onset of Hypo...or do i need to take sugars too as im using insulin?

DB

no mate u are fine with WMS

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BodyUK

You should be ok dude. Try the WMS, but if you're still worried about it have some dextrose to hand and see how you feel say 20mins after you've done the WMS. I wouldn't mix the two as you won't get the full benefits of the WMS.