Ellis

I have started reading some artciles by the late Paul Borrenson ( another so called steroid guru) some of his articles make for interesting reading.
He beleived in very heavy cycles often stating that 3grams of test a week in when the 'magic' starts to happen.

Has anyone else read much of his material?

Here is a sample of a 18 day cycle taken from one of his articles, see what you think.

EXAMPLE OF A HIGH DOSE SHORT DURATION STACK

18 DAYS IN A MASSAGE PARLOUR STACK
This is a sophisticated stack and I wrote it for a current Mr. Universe to enable this person to gain more mass over the Christmas period. We use this stack on the back of a successful period of gains after competition. This is the second course for Mr. Universe since the show so his bodyweight has reached a plateau and something new and juicy is required to get things moving.
There is a need for oestrogen buffering firstly it is a good anti-catabolic strategy but also to keep control of the androgenic effects of the steroid aspects of this cycle.

EACH DAY:
40mg Tamoxifen
1 Diazide tablet
Armidex 2 times 2mg per day
ANABOLIC
Two simple strategies were used. Insulin in the form of 30 IU Insulinard taken first thing in the morning rising by 5 IU a day until the peak of 55 IU was achieved. This does deliver a large dose of rapid acting insulin in the first 90 minutes as Insulintard is 30 percent fast acting. For this reason Mr. universe has to eat directly after taken the shot and again an hour later. Large meals with a total of 200 grams of carbohydrates which a 800 Kcals straight off.
Growth hormone taken in two microcyles throughout the 18 days of the cycle.
Days 5,6,7,8 4 IU each day take as two divided doses of 2 IU.
Days 12,13 8 IU taken as four divided doses of 2 IU
Also T3 at a small dose of 25 MCG a day was recommended. " days on one days off this is purely to increment metabolic activity.
THE ANTICATABOLIC ASPECT
We took 2 bottles of Capristan The real product. Both had 50 ML
ONLY AVAILABLE FROM MYSELF AT THE MOMENT.

We called them bottles A and B:

BOTTLE A
We added
20 ML Deca 2,00
20 ML Primo Depot
10 ML Test propionate

BOTTLE B
We added
20 Ml Testosterone Enanthate
20 Ml Sustanon
10 Ml Testosterone Propionate
This is how the course was structured. Remember this is a big man. Over 330 LB in good condition so you have to adjust accordingly…..

ALL SHOTS ARE LOCATED
DAYS 1- 5
10 Ml bottle A per day. Taken as 4 2.5 ML shots located.
DAYS 6-12
5 Ml bottle A and 5 Ml bottle B taken each day.
DAYS 13 - 18
10 Ml Bottle B taken each day…….
I hope that you enjoy my material and if my work is appreciated
Thank you for the support and I look forward to flying to South Carolina later in the year for the hardest hitting seminar, we will try to stop the world from going round that day. I also have an on-line seminar coming up and if you watch the pages of this magazine they will keep you posted. Whatever you do, don't let the human drive for mediocrity slow you down. Decide for yourself.

PAUL R BORRESEN

leanman

How much tissue can one build in 18 days???

I say if ain't broke then don't fix it, it is my understand Ellis that you are progressing nicely

Some of the 'advices' border on the dangerous IMO not so much with test dosages. As high dosages are nothing new but more all the other meds that are including (not listed)

All that said he was a maverick in his field and i hope he is resting in peace

Robsta

Sod that........you wouldn't have time to train...be spending all day jabbing yourself.....

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Ellis

I dont by any means intend to try this leanman. Its not for me.
I just found it interesting.

take a look at this snippit from a interview with him.

NM: What is your current stack?

PB: For the first ten days, I take 1000 mg of Sustanon a day. Days 11 to 20, I take 800 mg of Deca, 400 mg of Primobolan, and 600 mg of test propionate a day. Days 21 to 30, I do 400 mg of propionate, 200 mg of Winstrol, and four of my Triple X capsules, which are a homemade combination of Dinatropinol, T3, and oral insulin. I also take a 30-IU shot of insulin every time I eat a meal


just look at that 800mg deca, 400mg primo and 600mg test prop a say from day 11-20, thats must have been at least 9ml a day!!
And 30iu every time he eats!! unbelievable

Nine Pack

I do not wish to speak ill of the dead, as Paul was a good friend of a friend, however I would exercise caution when seeking guidance from someone who died from taking thier own advice.

I think I know what it is you have read, Paul published a book called 'The Stack'. The dosages & protocols he advised are nothing short of suicidal IMO.

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leanman

Ellis you are correct it is interesting, just trying to fathom the dosages and the sides that would go hand in hand with them.

Call me a cynic but for me to believe those dosages i would need to see the gear going in:confused:

Ellis

like I said nine pack, im just posting it here for people to look at out of interest as I myself find the articles I have read interesting.
Im not posting suggesting it is something I am going to try as I will not try it or that I think someone should try.
I haven't read 'the stack' these are just parts of articles that I have found on the net. I have no interest in trying out his theories as like you said his advice unfortunatly was probably the cause of his life ending so early.

Nine Pack

Sure, it makes for interesting reading if nothing else. Paul was actually a very intelligent man and his untimely death was a great loss to the sport.

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Ellis

yeah I agree with you nine pack very unfortunate. And yes I hear he was a very intelligant man. I guess its the sport that many of us are invloved in wearby some people will keep pushing chemical aids to the limit in order to see what results they will achieve.

big pete

i love reading his stuff, 'the stack' must be my most thumbed book,lol!!!

as said, the doses were suicidal, and some of the reasoning for suggesting the cycles were 'because they work....' but saying that, i imagine most people who wuse 5g+ per week would get 'results'

as leanman says, how much lean tissue could be added to the frame in those 18/25/30 days?

love the ideas, and really enjoy his writings.

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Ellis

well in one of his interviews he stats when on one of his very heavy 18-25 day cycles you could add 1lb of bodyweight a day.

Pscarb

i think his theories where sound but his dosages where over the top...

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Agree with Nine Pack on this one, however i was fortunate to have met and made a freind of the late Mr Borrenson.
There was no man more passionate about the sport of Bodybuilding, he was an intelligent and very articulate guy, who's knowledge is a sad lose to our sport.
On the down side his dosages ,towards the time of his demise, had become extreme to say the least and Paul had started the road to becoming something of an eccentric. The man was a genuine believer in his methods, however i would not advocate people taking the dosages or courses he wrote about.

big pete

lol, i reckon with a tub of peanut butter, some whole milk and protein shakes i could add 1lb of BODYWEIGHT too

intramuscular water retention, subcutaneous water retention, sheer volume of undigested food still in the intestines, and maybe a little lean tissue

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leanman

What no double cream....sheeeeeeeeeeeeet and i thought you were hardcore bro:crazy: