UKRaven

so i've decided to forget my source and use one of ukm's sponsors but im gonna give it a month or so before buying as it looks as though i know **** and have been getting ripped off. To the degree where i doubt i've ever used any 'real' dosed gear as all my experiences have been with novavet and stmg. Wish i was a member of this board sooner to find out the facts bout those companies but...**** happens.

So anyway i'll stop going on and will stop asking so many questions, lol. apart from this one.

Im looking at basically a beginer cycle for 12 weeks for mass. was thinking bout something very basic.

week 1-4 dbol
week 1-12 test e

week 15-18 nolva
week15-18 clomid

have omitted mg purposefully waiting for advice was thinking 50mg dbol ed, 500mg test weekly. 20mg nolva, 20 clomid.

sorry bout all the q's and cheers for the help.

im gonna wait until i put another 7-10 lbs on naturally before starting this cycle so will be bout 15stone+ when starting (14.7now). Gonna just stick to my diet and train hard and slow and then get a bit extra help.

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skizxi

30MG DBOL 1-4
500MG TEST 1-10
100 MG CLOMID 13
20MG NOLVA 13 - 16
50MG CLOMID 14- 16

Great White

Hello Mate.

Id go for sust, over a plain test if your just running it alone.

Something like this:

1 - 4/6: Dianabol @ 35mg ED
1 - 10: Sust @ 500mg WK (mon + thur inj)

10 - 13: Winny @ 50mg ED
10 - 13: Prop @ 100mg E3D (Usually ED or EOD, but E3D will be fine for you)

13+ PCT (Clomid, Nolva, Tribulus, ZMA)

That'll put hairs on your chest.

A lot of people choose to run Deca @ 400mg WK with this too, and then you have the classic mass building course, but its weather you want to spend the extra and use the deca.

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UKRaven

if i where to use deca what would i need to add pct?

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Magic Torch

You would need to add HCG to your PCT and run on weeks 12 and 13 at 1500iu every other day or M/W/F.

I like Pauls suggestion, but maybe only 8 weeks if you use deca too - IMO

Good luck with the cycle mate.

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Predator

The above suggestions look good mate. Don't forget to keep Nolva on hand throughout your cycle. Just in case you get gyno symptoms.

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UKRaven

dont you have to mix HCG yourself? i dont really know anything bout it hence why i didn't mention deca as i the sides would be different

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Harry

If your treating this as your first cycle, just stick with Dbol and Test mate.

Keep it nice and simple mate, doses mentioned by skizxi & Paul look pretty damn good.

Make sure you have plenty on Nolva to cover PCT and in case of any gyno sides.