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AndyB · 26-03-2004, 04:35 PM

Hi Fellas,

I have been reading round the UKM site for a month or so now and have gained some great knowledge from it. So first of all, thanks alot !

Im hoping some of you guys may be able to help me out with my cycle etc., basically, I have been bustin a gut in the gym for 2 years without any gear, im the usual tried all suppluments under the sun story with the same, no real goal achieved.

I decided to try steroids after Xmas and approx 6 weeks ago began.

I have been taking
20mg Dianabol ED

and slowly started deca at week 100, increasing to, 200, 300, 400 and now working back down the same way.

I have not really gained much muscle etc, but i believe now that i would of done better by using Sustan250 as well. So now im basically going to do the following

20mg Dianabol ED
200mg Deca Week
250mg Sustan250 Week

Im planning on injecting twice a week, once on monday and once on thursday. what i would like to know is, would i be better injecting deca on mon and sust on thursday or mixing the 2 into the one syringe and doing them both twice a week ?

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Kind Regards

Andy B

**Great White** · 26-03-2004, 04:47 PM

Hello mate

Right, i would run with the above cycle.

You will only need to inject once a week, mix them both in the same barrel (should be 3ml of liquid)

You could run 500mg Sust and 400mg Deca but i think it would be to high for your 1st proper cycle

I`ll chat more later - am at work now

Paul

Bulldog · 26-03-2004, 04:51 PM

Mix them and do twice a week. Those are low dosages and you probably want see much gain and afterwards you still have ptc......... will see what others say. I take it your off the dbol and deca cycle ( you say are you now working your way back down). If so, youve been on cycle to long and should be having prob's. Maybe im not understanding you correctly.

Panthro · 26-03-2004, 04:59 PM

aye, come off the gear and do a PCT asap! Tapering is a waste of time IMO, and old practice no-longer done.

I wouldnt double up the doses as bulldog suggests (sorry mate!) maybe double up sus, but that's it. and you can mix and inject once per week..

If you are not seeing the gains you expect, i can almost 100% say your diet isnt up to scratch.. post it up in the diet forum and we can have a look..

nice one mate, and welcome to the board!!!!

joolz

philipebrown · 26-03-2004, 05:01 PM

Hi Mate

Welcome to the board

First off I would say that if youve never taken steroids before, and youve been on dianabol for 6 weeks allready then i would stop now and have at least 6- 8 wweeks off before you start using anything else.

Dianabol is bad for your liver and you shouldnt use it longer than six weeks.

Dianabol, sust and deca is a bit much to be using for your first cycle. Ease your way in and see how you react to them.

Maybe next time try dianabol and sust or dianabol and deca or deca and sust.
My first cycle was 6 weeks of dianabol only and i didnt make much progress.

This time i have tried the following
week 1- 6 45-50mg dianabol ED
week 1- 8 500mg sust EW

and gained a stone without putting on extra fat.

A lot of people here will warn you about using deca properly in a cycle. I cant say coz i havnt tried it yet.

To answer your question, if you only want to inject twice a week, you can mix deca and sust in the same jab.

This would probably be a better idea

200mg deca
500mg sust each week for 8 weeks.

this is my opinion but listen to as many people on this forum as possible.

If you want to send me a PM i will tell you more about how ive taken them in more detail. but i would stop what your doing for now.

You also need to find out more about post cycle therapy before you start again. There are loads of threads concerning this and everyone will be happy to help you

Phil

AndyB · 26-03-2004, 08:24 PM

Thanks for all the advice fellas, i will mention my diet below so u can see what you rekon and let me know where im going wrong.

Also, i have a 2week supply of clomid and also some winny which i was planning to use after my current cycle of deca and dianabol, is it workth doing these still ? Or should i have a 8 week off period and then start with the dianabol, deca and sust ?

My Diet

Breakfat
Protien Shake (body fortress) one scoop mixed with water

Dinner
2 Chiken Thighs
3 Sausages
1 burger (no bread)
Cheese Salad

Min Noon
Protien shake (as aboce)

Evening Meal
Large Steak, or chiken
some veg

Approx (10 oclock)
more chiken and sausage

Im basically trying to go the low carb / High protine route to try and build some muscle and stip some fat, i believe that the winny will help with hardening my muscle and also stripping fat, especially if i stack it with clenbuterol, is this right, if so any suggestions regarding dosages ?

To say i have not gained any muscle over the last 6 weeks would not be ture, i deffinatley have gained in my triceps and shoulders but thats about all, but i have noticed a decent increase in strength. i was only benching 60k before xmas, now managina 80k, i know this is probably small to you guys but it made me smile !

Again, thanks for all the help, i really appreciacte it

Kind Regards

Andy B

Panthro · 26-03-2004, 08:36 PM

hi mate, ok, lots to work on with the diet....

I dont know what everyones fear of carbs is? It used to be fat, and now -post atkins its carbs... ggrr. Excess calories make you fat! anyway, glycemic index is the key... read about it here....http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/showthrea...412&forumid=22

Here is a similar thread re diet for you to read, saves me re-writing everything out again.. it will apply to you about the diet..

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/showthrea...1725&forumid=7

Id recommed stopping al gear now, and 21 days after last shot of deca take 300mg clomid on 1st day, 100mg for next 10 days then 50mg for 10 days after that. Then have minimum of further 3 weeks off before you start your next cycle...

hope this helps..

miami797 · 26-03-2004, 10:21 PM

Unless youre taking sustanon every other day or every third day its a waste...you will get small gains from it the way you plan on taking it but since 2 of the esters in it are such short acting esters its a waste to take it like that....

you could save the money from buy expensive sust and just get 250mp of test enth...that way ALL the 250mg of test youre injecting will be working all the time....rather then injecting 250mg a week of sust and after a few say about 1/3 of it is already done what its going to do.... dont get me wrong, its a GREAT test, especially to build a foundation but it can be utilized alot more by taking shot of test prop eod along with the sus...just to keep test levels constant..

also if youre only taking 250 of any test you should take deca...deca you wont really notice at that low of a dose and should be taken in a certain ratio to the test...

if its your first cycle and youre looking for solid gains go with this.

250-500test ethenate (once a week) (depending on $ and splittingg amps)
250-400 mg equipoise (split into shots atleast every 3rd day)
20-25mg dbol everyday for 2-3 weeks.

its a VERY mild cycle...especially at the 250mg test a week range...but you will get gains, plus your first cycle you dont need much at all in order to achieve solid gains.....if you go with the higher range of test up the EQ to 400mg week

Bulldog · 29-03-2004, 07:32 PM

Terrible diet...... Definatley needs work. Pickup carbs/calories and protien.

**hackskii** · 29-03-2004, 09:59 PM

That diet is ok for the Atkins. Just fine dude. Try it for atleast 2 weeks. See how you feel. You will lose some fat for sure there. That is a Classic Atkins diet. Try to keep the carbohydrate carbs down to like 20 grams max for a day.
You should notice in a bout 3-4 days the body will slip into ketosis and you will shed some serous fat. I love the diet and would do it right now but I just came off my cycle and want the muscles to take hold. I know that sounded stupid but the body is doing all kindof things hormonally right now and dont want to throw a diet hiccup in with it.

You are doing just fine with that AndyB......

Bulldog · 30-03-2004, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AndyB

Im basically trying to go the low carb / High protine route to try and build some muscle and stip some fat, i believe that the winny will help with hardening my muscle and also stripping fat,
Andy B

OOPS>>>>> I didnt see that earlier.... Definately dont want to up the calories sorry. But still High protien is fine.

Harry · 30-03-2004, 04:04 PM

Andy, your doing one scoop of Protein, you need at least three mate that way you'll get 50g of Protein in each shake.

Also a lot of the guys will steer you to another brand, which I agree with, try Lorian or SilentBob as they can supply cheaper than Body Fortress.

miami797 · 30-03-2004, 04:45 PM

the low carb high protien thing was a trend diet by dr atkins....it wasnt to help guilg muscle is was to burn fat deposits for energy rather then carbs.......yes you need high protien but you also need everything else to get big muscles and proper helf..

and from what i knew about dr atkins is that he died a fat out of shape man....

Greyphantom · 30-03-2004, 04:58 PM

Miami has a great cycle there... also right about the carbs issue... **** a few years back eggs were the evilest thing to eat now they are pretty good.. its all fad... mostly... 500mg per week enanth, 400mg per week eq, and 25mg per day dbol... run the injects for 8-10 weeks and the bol for 4...

carbs are needed to make muscles grow too...

Panthro · 30-03-2004, 05:10 PM

aye, if you dont eat the carbs, the protein gets turned into glycogen by oyur body.. therefore wasting the protein. The atkins diet is not suitable for BBing IMO..

26-03-2004, 04:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
AndyB Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Blackpool Posts: 148	Injecting ! Hi Fellas, I have been reading round the UKM site for a month or so now and have gained some great knowledge from it. So first of all, thanks alot ! Im hoping some of you guys may be able to help me out with my cycle etc., basically, I have been bustin a gut in the gym for 2 years without any gear, im the usual tried all suppluments under the sun story with the same, no real goal achieved. I decided to try steroids after Xmas and approx 6 weeks ago began. I have been taking 20mg Dianabol ED and slowly started deca at week 100, increasing to, 200, 300, 400 and now working back down the same way. I have not really gained much muscle etc, but i believe now that i would of done better by using Sustan250 as well. So now im basically going to do the following 20mg Dianabol ED 200mg Deca Week 250mg Sustan250 Week Im planning on injecting twice a week, once on monday and once on thursday. what i would like to know is, would i be better injecting deca on mon and sust on thursday or mixing the 2 into the one syringe and doing them both twice a week ? any advice would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Andy B

26-03-2004, 04:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,249	Hello mate Right, i would run with the above cycle. You will only need to inject once a week, mix them both in the same barrel (should be 3ml of liquid) You could run 500mg Sust and 400mg Deca but i think it would be to high for your 1st proper cycle I`ll chat more later - am at work now Paul __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

26-03-2004, 04:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	aye, come off the gear and do a PCT asap! Tapering is a waste of time IMO, and old practice no-longer done. I wouldnt double up the doses as bulldog suggests (sorry mate!) maybe double up sus, but that's it. and you can mix and inject once per week.. If you are not seeing the gains you expect, i can almost 100% say your diet isnt up to scratch.. post it up in the diet forum and we can have a look.. nice one mate, and welcome to the board!!!! joolz __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

26-03-2004, 08:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	hi mate, ok, lots to work on with the diet.... I dont know what everyones fear of carbs is? It used to be fat, and now -post atkins its carbs... ggrr. Excess calories make you fat! anyway, glycemic index is the key... read about it here....http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/showthrea...412&forumid=22 Here is a similar thread re diet for you to read, saves me re-writing everything out again.. it will apply to you about the diet.. http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/showthrea...1725&forumid=7 Id recommed stopping al gear now, and 21 days after last shot of deca take 300mg clomid on 1st day, 100mg for next 10 days then 50mg for 10 days after that. Then have minimum of further 3 weeks off before you start your next cycle... hope this helps.. __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

26-03-2004, 10:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
miami797 Feeling Slutty Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,440	Unless youre taking sustanon every other day or every third day its a waste...you will get small gains from it the way you plan on taking it but since 2 of the esters in it are such short acting esters its a waste to take it like that.... you could save the money from buy expensive sust and just get 250mp of test enth...that way ALL the 250mg of test youre injecting will be working all the time....rather then injecting 250mg a week of sust and after a few say about 1/3 of it is already done what its going to do.... dont get me wrong, its a GREAT test, especially to build a foundation but it can be utilized alot more by taking shot of test prop eod along with the sus...just to keep test levels constant.. also if youre only taking 250 of any test you should take deca...deca you wont really notice at that low of a dose and should be taken in a certain ratio to the test... if its your first cycle and youre looking for solid gains go with this. 250-500test ethenate (once a week) (depending on $ and splittingg amps) 250-400 mg equipoise (split into shots atleast every 3rd day) 20-25mg dbol everyday for 2-3 weeks. its a VERY mild cycle...especially at the 250mg test a week range...but you will get gains, plus your first cycle you dont need much at all in order to achieve solid gains.....if you go with the higher range of test up the EQ to 400mg week __________________ one in the pink. two in the stink.

26-03-2004, 04:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bulldog Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 109	Mix them and do twice a week. Those are low dosages and you probably want see much gain and afterwards you still have ptc......... will see what others say. I take it your off the dbol and deca cycle ( you say are you now working your way back down). If so, youve been on cycle to long and should be having prob's. Maybe im not understanding you correctly.

26-03-2004, 05:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
philipebrown Looking Freaky Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: north east Posts: 924	Hi Mate Welcome to the board First off I would say that if youve never taken steroids before, and youve been on dianabol for 6 weeks allready then i would stop now and have at least 6- 8 wweeks off before you start using anything else. Dianabol is bad for your liver and you shouldnt use it longer than six weeks. Dianabol, sust and deca is a bit much to be using for your first cycle. Ease your way in and see how you react to them. Maybe next time try dianabol and sust or dianabol and deca or deca and sust. My first cycle was 6 weeks of dianabol only and i didnt make much progress. This time i have tried the following week 1- 6 45-50mg dianabol ED week 1- 8 500mg sust EW and gained a stone without putting on extra fat. A lot of people here will warn you about using deca properly in a cycle. I cant say coz i havnt tried it yet. To answer your question, if you only want to inject twice a week, you can mix deca and sust in the same jab. This would probably be a better idea 200mg deca 500mg sust each week for 8 weeks. this is my opinion but listen to as many people on this forum as possible. If you want to send me a PM i will tell you more about how ive taken them in more detail. but i would stop what your doing for now. You also need to find out more about post cycle therapy before you start again. There are loads of threads concerning this and everyone will be happy to help you Phil

26-03-2004, 08:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
AndyB Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Blackpool Posts: 148	Thanks for all the advice fellas, i will mention my diet below so u can see what you rekon and let me know where im going wrong. Also, i have a 2week supply of clomid and also some winny which i was planning to use after my current cycle of deca and dianabol, is it workth doing these still ? Or should i have a 8 week off period and then start with the dianabol, deca and sust ? My Diet Breakfat Protien Shake (body fortress) one scoop mixed with water Dinner 2 Chiken Thighs 3 Sausages 1 burger (no bread) Cheese Salad Min Noon Protien shake (as aboce) Evening Meal Large Steak, or chiken some veg Approx (10 oclock) more chiken and sausage Im basically trying to go the low carb / High protine route to try and build some muscle and stip some fat, i believe that the winny will help with hardening my muscle and also stripping fat, especially if i stack it with clenbuterol, is this right, if so any suggestions regarding dosages ? To say i have not gained any muscle over the last 6 weeks would not be ture, i deffinatley have gained in my triceps and shoulders but thats about all, but i have noticed a decent increase in strength. i was only benching 60k before xmas, now managina 80k, i know this is probably small to you guys but it made me smile ! Again, thanks for all the help, i really appreciacte it Kind Regards Andy B

29-03-2004, 07:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bulldog Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 109	Terrible diet...... Definatley needs work. Pickup carbs/calories and protien.

29-03-2004, 09:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,135	That diet is ok for the Atkins. Just fine dude. Try it for atleast 2 weeks. See how you feel. You will lose some fat for sure there. That is a Classic Atkins diet. Try to keep the carbohydrate carbs down to like 20 grams max for a day. You should notice in a bout 3-4 days the body will slip into ketosis and you will shed some serous fat. I love the diet and would do it right now but I just came off my cycle and want the muscles to take hold. I know that sounded stupid but the body is doing all kindof things hormonally right now and dont want to throw a diet hiccup in with it. You are doing just fine with that AndyB...... __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30-03-2004, 04:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
Harry EFBB Winner Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,340	Andy, your doing one scoop of Protein, you need at least three mate that way you'll get 50g of Protein in each shake. Also a lot of the guys will steer you to another brand, which I agree with, try Lorian or SilentBob as they can supply cheaper than Body Fortress.

30-03-2004, 04:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
miami797 Feeling Slutty Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,440	the low carb high protien thing was a trend diet by dr atkins....it wasnt to help guilg muscle is was to burn fat deposits for energy rather then carbs.......yes you need high protien but you also need everything else to get big muscles and proper helf.. and from what i knew about dr atkins is that he died a fat out of shape man.... __________________ one in the pink. two in the stink.

30-03-2004, 04:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
Greyphantom Getting HUGE! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,781	Miami has a great cycle there... also right about the carbs issue... **** a few years back eggs were the evilest thing to eat now they are pretty good.. its all fad... mostly... 500mg per week enanth, 400mg per week eq, and 25mg per day dbol... run the injects for 8-10 weeks and the bol for 4... carbs are needed to make muscles grow too... __________________ Greyphantom The Ghost who Grows!!!

30-03-2004, 05:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
Panthro Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,508	aye, if you dont eat the carbs, the protein gets turned into glycogen by oyur body.. therefore wasting the protein. The atkins diet is not suitable for BBing IMO.. __________________ "looking at picutres of half naked men dont get you strong. Lets get down to business and go to the gym" - Svend Karlson. 'Viking Power'

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