Thread: Phil Heath "proposed" cycle

Aus I always thought you recommended running anadrol for 6-8+ weeks for decent muscle gains? Or is that just the oral by itself?

Originally Posted by ausbuilt

you"re one of the very few honest BBs out there. I'm still doing my 3.6g/week and recently upped my anadrol to 300mg/day (from 150). Marginal increase in strength so far, and i would expect maybe 0.5lb extra LBM over previous.

I haven't yet tried the Paul Borresson approach, am waiting to do my bulk after summer, and I'm to busy workwise to do 'slin at the moment, but I"m going to give Borresson"s cycle a go:

"... For the first ten days, I take 1000 mg of Sustanon a day. Days 11 to 20, I take 800 mg of Deca, 400 mg of Primobolan, and 600 mg of test propionate a day. Days 21 to 30, I do 400 mg of propionate, 200 mg of Winstrol, and four of my Triple X capsules, which are a homemade combination of Dinatropinol, T3, and oral insulin. I also take a 30-IU shot of insulin every time I eat a meal."

from: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_..._paul_borresen

page 2.

its over 1g/day of gear most days..



LOL, yep, 2g test, and 1g of Eq and 600mg tren; last 11months, with 150mg/day oxys 4 weeks on, 4weeks off on top. Bulk on oxys, cut when off. This month bumped the "on" to 300mg/day oxys.

as for the 'slin use- quite common to use 30-50iu lantus in the morning, with 10-15iu novorapid at each meal and post workout.

Amateur mate pmsl !!

Originally Posted by Wevans2303

Not even close.

Injectable AAS 6-8g. Where's the tren in there? What else he uses I wouldn't know but i'm sure we all have a vague idea.

Doubt he uses anavar, more like 200-300mg anadrol.

30-40iu gh/day

Slin I would guess into the hundereds of iu per day, perhaps 125-150iu, taken with meals and loads around workout.

at a guess? i think without sounding like a dik thats what many of the people here are doing,guessing and surmising based on heresay,netlore,their own shortfalls etc etc etc,tbh i wouldnt be surprised if this is what he used,i would be even less surprised if it was less,i know the actual cycles of many top guys and pro's,the company that sponsors me also has Tony Freeman under their helm and believe me when i say that many guys on this forum use WAY more than he does,in fact what i and ausbuilt use/used would prob last Tony a cpl of years lol

whats the difference between ausbuilt/me and tony freeman and the rest of the top tear pro's?genetics you couldnt comprehend thats what,we have medium to good genetics,i would say the top amatuers in the sport have really good genetics,the top guys are fukin aliens compared to the rest of us,wether you want to believe that or not i could care less,it is the case,massive amounts of gear peds,concrete work ethic will take you so far,but you will never achieve what prob even bottom rung pro's have physique wise regardless how much you use or commit yourself.

people wanna throw these 'oh he uses crazy amounts of gh,slin,mega amounts of tren'etc etc about because it lets them feel better about not being that size,not looking the way thoe guys do,sooner people opened their eyes the bigger favour they would do themselves.

heres an analogy,fukin loads of us can drive cars,and prob drive cars pretty fast,none of us are ever gnr be an Ayrton Senna,colin mcrae etc etc etc,theres a very good reason for that and its not down to just because of the cars they drive lol,we could all be given their vehicles today,drive them inside out every day for a year and still never be even one iota as good as they are/were.

Sh1t werman so basically if you have less thsn average. genetics you may aswell get fcuked lol.. right im off to eat pies in a mood x

Originally Posted by flinty90

Sh1t werman so basically if you have less thsn average. genetics you may aswell get fcuked lol.. right im off to eat pies in a mood x

Agreed. I'm going down the pub for a beer and a burger.
Fcuk this bodybuilding malarkey, bunch of wallys!!

No pro BB would post his AAS cycle on the net.

Originally Posted by C.Hill

Aus I always thought you recommended running anadrol for 6-8+ weeks for decent muscle gains? Or is that just the oral by itself?

actually more like 16 weeks plus..

see this study that used 150mg/day for 30weeks, with no liver issues:
http://www.medibolics.com/german2.htm

that study the participants then kept on 50mg/day for over a year, and found ot be effective and safe...

I do the 4week approach owing to mini-bulk cycle approach i prefer not to get to fat, and keep making gains on my constant "base" of 3.6g of injectables per week.

If you don't have the injectable base going for months, then for the same effect you need to do orals for months..

Agree with Weeman, these 6g 20iu GH and 100iu slin etc is bollox imo

I bet they use circa 1g-2g gear a week TOPS.. Genetics are everything! I have ok genetics and a pretty good work ethic, top pro's were born freaky, people like Ronnie would have had 20inch guns befre touching AAS I bet!

Originally Posted by DB

Agree with Weeman, these 6g 20iu GH and 100iu slin etc is bollox imo

I bet they use circa 1g-2g gear a week TOPS.. Genetics are everything! I have ok genetics and a pretty good work ethic, top pro's were born freaky, people like Ronnie would have had 20inch guns befre touching AAS I bet!

I respect your and wee's opinion but no way 1-2g a gear, no way. They use tonnes. I'll agree and say they respond to drugs way better than the average Joe (+ they have good hookups) but that's most of the advantage.

Originally Posted by Wevans2303

I respect your and wee's opinion but no way 1-2g a gear, no way. They use tonnes. I'll agree and say they respond to drugs way better than the average Joe (+ they have good hookups) but that's most of the advantage.

How do you know they use tonnes?

Originally Posted by C.Hill

How do you know they use tonnes?

EXACTLY what i was about to ask!

Originally Posted by DB

Agree with Weeman, these 6g 20iu GH and 100iu slin etc is bollox imo

I bet they use circa 1g-2g gear a week TOPS.. Genetics are everything! I have ok genetics and a pretty good work ethic, top pro's were born freaky, people like Ronnie would have had 20inch guns befre touching AAS I bet!

Weeman didn't say the 6g of AAS was bollox.. and plenty on here have done 10-20iu of GH. I know people doing 100iu/slin- in fact i will be in sept (50iu lantus in the morning, then 10iu of novorapid with every meal, and post workout- ok its 90iu).

I absolutely think they use high doses- read stuff by A.L Rea and Paul Borresson.

Genetics playing an advantage is the individual response to the AAS- like all meds, there is variation to how individuals respond to the same dose. those who are BB champions react exceptionally well, but they would never have a lean 20" arm at 5'10 to 6'2" without AAS.

lets get a grop with genetics- plays a role in muscle shape, insertions/origin etc. As for real lean musclar size- no one has the genetics to look like a modern BB pro without AAS, not even a regional BB....

Originally Posted by ausbuilt

Weeman didn't say the 6g of AAS was bollox.. and plenty on here have done 10-20iu of GH. I know people doing 100iu/slin- in fact i will be in sept (50iu lantus in the morning, then 10iu of novorapid with every meal, and post workout- ok its 90iu).

I absolutely think they use high doses- read stuff by A.L Rea and Paul Borresson.

Genetics playing an advantage is the individual response to the AAS- like all meds, there is variation to how individuals respond to the same dose. those who are BB champions react exceptionally well, but they would never have a lean 20" arm at 5'10 to 6'2" without AAS.

lets get a grop with genetics- plays a role in muscle shape, insertions/origin etc. As for real lean musclar size- no one has the genetics to look like a modern BB pro without AAS, not even a regional BB....

What I wanted to say without sounding like a cvnt, THANK YOU.

Originally Posted by C.Hill

How do you know they use tonnes?

How do you know otherwise?