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    Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    This is the first cycle i will have ever taken, i have been lifting for quite a while now, and although a very solid diet/training regime has always done me well, the plateaus are starting to be reached and i feel its time for a little lift (note im 21 years old at the moment)

    I have been reading up for hours on all sorts of threads relating to this, and finally think ive come up with enough to post this thread, and also hopefully have a couple of questions answered that i havn't found the answer to elsewhere (and also that might help others in the future!)

    As a first time user, i kind of saw the general concensus that a more "less potent" PH would be most ideal, most likely EPI/havoc, although i've run into some problems searching for an ideal PCT..

    I'm being put off a bit by the general uncertainty and differing opinions regarding nolvadex and clomid. Some say just use one, some say use both. And in addition to this im reading articles like below, (which i know is very long, but worth the read!), which are extremely worrying especially to someone newer like me and unsure of what to expect.

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-...-use-good.html

    Ive obviously considered OTC PCTs, but again i dont want a crappy PCT. I looked at something like the "BBS Complete PCT" but there didn't seem to be a great deal of agreement on how much it works and that its just more of a ****mix.

    Finally, in regards to the "non" OTC PCTs, i know it's against the rules to post but, are there any really good places to source it? I've searched high and low and the only one i've found is some dodgy website based abroad which takes like 2 weeks to ship. I suppose it would be a great help if someone could private message me to point me in the right direction.

    Thanks very much, hope this thread can eventually help others too

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    Re: Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    aaaanyone ?

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    Re: Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    I ran Epistane 2 times before going onto AAS and I really didn't even see the need of a PCT.

    If you want to stay on the safe side just get some Nolva and dose it at 20/20/20/20 for 4 weeks, if you cant get your hand on Nolva just run a normal PCT product that you can get online.

    Edit - just read that you can't get yourself on some Nolva, just run with some over the counter PCT mate you will be fine or just ebay 'ANTI ESTROGEN PCT' and it comes up with Tamoxifen which is nolva.
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    Re: Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    You can probably get away without PCT after a bottle of Havoc. There are no estrogen worries with it. Its unmethylated parent compound is actually an anti-estrogen, but its uncertain whether this also applies to epistane itself.

    I'm not being unwelcoming, but there are loads of epistane / havoc threads on the UK muscle prohormone forum (It is a proper steroid, though, make no mistake). But if you are going to take a methylated oral steroid, you may also like to consider a stronger "designer steroid" like superdrol, or a friendly "proper" steroid like turinabol.

    Legally, they're all in the same grey area. ish

    If they were ever available as a medicine in the past, they're steroids.
    If they were never sold by a pharmaceutical company in the past, they're a "designer steroid"
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    Re: Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    If you use nolva tapper down over the 4 weeks 20/20/10/10 is what most people do. I've used hdrol and I had sensitive nips on and off through out. I didnt worry though and waited till the end of the cycle before starting nolva. So if your going to do a hdrol course I'll sum it up:

    Standard practice is
    Hdrol 75/75/75/75/75/75
    Nolva/tamaxifen 20/20/10/10
    Natural test booster (daa) 5g per day starting last week of hdrol and carry on each day through pct

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    Re: Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    Quote Originally Posted by Steuk View Post
    If you use nolva tapper down over the 4 weeks 20/20/10/10 is what most people do. I've used hdrol and I had sensitive nips on and off through out. I didnt worry though and waited till the end of the cycle before starting nolva. So if your going to do a hdrol course I'll sum it up:
    Doesnt Nolva only come in 20mg tabs? Or do you mean split the tabs in half?


    Wanting to run Epi as my first PH soonish.
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    Re: Planning an PH cycle, a few problems/thoughts..

    Quote Originally Posted by Barker View Post
    Doesnt Nolva only come in 20mg tabs? Or do you mean split the tabs in half?


    Wanting to run Epi as my first PH soonish.
    You can get 10mg tabs. Hardly worth bothering using any less than 20mg though IMO.
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