Understanding PCT - Page 9 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

tommy y · 08-07-2008, 10:20 PM

my last cousre lasted the duration of my contest diet so roughly twenty weeks, finishin with three weeks of test enanthate antestex. i was takin 1000mg of testex/week and 750mg test enanthanate/week for last three weeks. my last shot was two weeks ago today. tamoxifen has been used throughout 20-40mg/day.

itraininthedark · 09-07-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tommy y

hacksii im strugglin to get hold of any hcg, ive got clomid an tamoxifen. any advice as to wat is hould whilst trying to get hold of hcg???

hmg... i ran out of hcg a while back and was told clomid at 100 - 150mgs a day would work but would take a longer period of time.. but now i have plenty of hcg so is not a problem.

**hackskii** · 09-07-2008, 04:03 PM

Is that testex prop, or cyp?
If it is cyp, 1750mg of enanthate/cypionate would probably take a month or even more to clear your system.
20 week cycles will take some time to recover.
I would suggest an aggressive PCT protocol myself, something similar to what I posted on the original post.

You might even crash and you might consider tapering down to avoid some kind of androgen withdrawl.

itraininthedark · 09-07-2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Is that testex prop, or cyp?
If it is cyp, 1750mg of enanthate/cypionate would probably take a month or even more to clear your system.
20 week cycles will take some time to recover.
I would suggest an aggressive PCT protocol myself, something similar to what I posted on the original post.

You might even crash and you might consider tapering down to avoid some kind of androgen withdrawl.

where is the original post mate, is it begining of this thread? cheers

**hackskii** · 09-07-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by itraininthedark

where is the original post mate, is it begining of this thread? cheers

First post.....

itraininthedark · 09-07-2008, 06:01 PM

....jsut as i thought

darkstar · 10-07-2008, 03:02 PM

Ill be so happy to get my blood work test results . Sheww should have just gone to a lab.

itraininthedark · 16-07-2008, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Is that testex prop, or cyp?
If it is cyp, 1750mg of enanthate/cypionate would probably take a month or even more to clear your system.
20 week cycles will take some time to recover.
I would suggest an aggressive PCT protocol myself, something similar to what I posted on the original post.

You might even crash and you might consider tapering down to avoid some kind of androgen withdrawl.

what would be agood way of tapering down froim cycle such a cycle ie. 1000mg test enanth per week over a period of 20weeks..for the last few weeks would it be best to cut down to 500mg per week.. then 250mg etc.. and then to do an agrresive PCT

**hackskii** · 16-07-2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itraininthedark

what would be agood way of tapering down froim cycle such a cycle ie. 1000mg test enanth per week over a period of 20weeks..for the last few weeks would it be best to cut down to 500mg per week.. then 250mg etc.. and then to do an agrresive PCT

It will take longer than that, I would try and drop it 100mg a week, and see, if you are feeling any crashing sympstoms going under 400mg you will need to taper that longer.
If you havent used an AI, I probably would.

AJW · 31-07-2008, 10:47 PM

hi hacksi,

a question for you,

i will shortley be running my 1st cycle of test e 250pw with nolva and clomid for pct.

will this affect my balls badly, to put it another way will i need to take something to stop them shrinking etc or at this low, and simple of a course will it not be needed?

Thanks in adavance!

**hackskii** · 01-08-2008, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJW

hi hacksi,

a question for you,

i will shortley be running my 1st cycle of test e 250pw with nolva and clomid for pct.

will this affect my balls badly, to put it another way will i need to take something to stop them shrinking etc or at this low, and simple of a course will it not be needed?

Thanks in adavance!

What is the length of the cycle?

AJW · 01-08-2008, 03:19 PM

im thinking 8 - 10 weeks, what would u reccomend??

**hackskii** · 01-08-2008, 03:22 PM

HCG would stop them from shrinking.
You can try to get away with just the clomid and nolva, 250mg isnt all that supressive, and 8 to 10 weeks is not all that long.

It would not hurt at all to use low dose HCG with that cycle. It would make recovery easier in the end.

borisisok · 01-08-2008, 08:00 PM

Just coming off my 10week course. Family planning on the agenda so i wondered if you have any input on the sperm count issue. Not been checked yet, but just looking in to the options and experiences of the others.
By the way, does Proviron have any place in your PCT, if not where would you place it? And you mentioned not to stay on HCG for too long, does that include during the lenghty course, if you are running it EOD?
Your suggestions on PCT will be defo part of my next post contest treatement. HCG during the course,def.
Thank you

**hackskii** · 01-08-2008, 08:19 PM

Well, proviron might be helpfull for sperm, but not really to bring back your T levels.
Many things are needed to be able to have kids.

There is a product that would be perfect for you, that would be HMG.
HCG is an LH analog and mimics LH.
HMG has 75iu/150iu (depending on which one) of LH and FSH.
If you can get that, then recovery for having kids would be cut down by months.
It can take up to a year for recovery so you can have kids, that is a long time.
HMG can be taken by men for fertility.

If you could do a PCT with HMG in it, man, recovery would be way faster.

Only hitch is it is very expensive.
Sourcing it might be a problem too.
I found a place but I cant seem how to order it, or cant find the price.......
I have seen the prices before and I can only say it is very expensive.

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,717	Re: Understanding PCT Is that testex prop, or cyp? If it is cyp, 1750mg of enanthate/cypionate would probably take a month or even more to clear your system. 20 week cycles will take some time to recover. I would suggest an aggressive PCT protocol myself, something similar to what I posted on the original post. You might even crash and you might consider tapering down to avoid some kind of androgen withdrawl. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-07-2008, 03:02 PM	#127 (permalink)
darkstar Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 394	Re: Understanding PCT Ill be so happy to get my blood work test results . Sheww should have just gone to a lab.

31-07-2008, 10:47 PM	#130 (permalink)
AJW Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Teesside Posts: 40	Re: Understanding PCT hi hacksi, a question for you, i will shortley be running my 1st cycle of test e 250pw with nolva and clomid for pct. will this affect my balls badly, to put it another way will i need to take something to stop them shrinking etc or at this low, and simple of a course will it not be needed? Thanks in adavance!

01-08-2008, 03:19 PM	#132 (permalink)
AJW Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Teesside Posts: 40	Re: Understanding PCT im thinking 8 - 10 weeks, what would u reccomend??

01-08-2008, 03:22 PM	#133 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,717	Re: Understanding PCT HCG would stop them from shrinking. You can try to get away with just the clomid and nolva, 250mg isnt all that supressive, and 8 to 10 weeks is not all that long. It would not hurt at all to use low dose HCG with that cycle. It would make recovery easier in the end. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

01-08-2008, 08:00 PM	#134 (permalink)
borisisok Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: Understanding PCT Just coming off my 10week course. Family planning on the agenda so i wondered if you have any input on the sperm count issue. Not been checked yet, but just looking in to the options and experiences of the others. By the way, does Proviron have any place in your PCT, if not where would you place it? And you mentioned not to stay on HCG for too long, does that include during the lenghty course, if you are running it EOD? Your suggestions on PCT will be defo part of my next post contest treatement. HCG during the course,def. Thank you

01-08-2008, 08:19 PM	#135 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,717	Re: Understanding PCT Well, proviron might be helpfull for sperm, but not really to bring back your T levels. Many things are needed to be able to have kids. There is a product that would be perfect for you, that would be HMG. HCG is an LH analog and mimics LH. HMG has 75iu/150iu (depending on which one) of LH and FSH. If you can get that, then recovery for having kids would be cut down by months. It can take up to a year for recovery so you can have kids, that is a long time. HMG can be taken by men for fertility. If you could do a PCT with HMG in it, man, recovery would be way faster. Only hitch is it is very expensive. Sourcing it might be a problem too. I found a place but I cant seem how to order it, or cant find the price....... I have seen the prices before and I can only say it is very expensive. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.