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itraininthedark · 10-06-2008, 04:50 PM

what should the correct PCT protocol be fro coming off a cycle of Prop 500mg/w Equi 500mg/w Dbol 40mg a day.. people keep saying differnt things and my head might as well be up my **** now.. any ideas anyone.. read on another thread eating a womans placenta helps?? he he he

**hackskii** · 10-06-2008, 06:16 PM

How long was the cycle for?
Did you do any HCG during?

itraininthedark · 10-06-2008, 07:43 PM

its 8 week cycle mate, not run HCG throughout.

**hackskii** · 10-06-2008, 08:06 PM

Well, the start time will be 3 weeks from last EQ jab.
You probably could use some HCG in there.
Some clomid and nolva would be good.

The amounts depend on the person, the amount of time on, and the amount of gear used.
some guys recover very well, some dont.

tms1978 · 10-06-2008, 11:14 PM

Hey hackskii, wanted to say thanks for all the info on here, you're the oracle of pct info! lol

**hackskii** · 10-06-2008, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tms1978

Hey hackskii, wanted to say thanks for all the info on here, you're the oracle of pct info! lol

thanks, too many times before I ever got it just right, and even then you have to tweak things.

Kazza61 · 14-06-2008, 03:15 PM

Hi - just joined!
This thread seems to be wrestling with what is currently causing my biggest headache (and potentially my smallest balls by the sound of it!).
Having trained for over 30 years (and being nearly 47 years old), I have acheived rather limited results in the BB game (I'm starting to wish I'd gone for darts now!). I've now decided to see what the chemists can do for a life long hard-gainer like myself.
My research starting point was Mick Hart's 'Layman's' Guides and at this point in time, I now have a cabinet full of pronabol, Sustanon and Deca Durabolin. To go with these, I have some Nolvadex and Clomid. I also have a few pots of Clenbuterol too. (Oh, and some Milk Thistle?!)
I had planned the following: A Pronabol course, break, Pronabol + Deca course, break, and finally (for this part of the master plan anyway), a Pronabol + Sust course.
Following Mick Hart's advice, I had planned to use Nolvadex throughout all the courses (and maybe use Clen after all of them too). The other part of my program would be to use Clomid after all the courses in pretty much the way that has been described on this thread as a PCT.
My concern is, that despite hours and hours of online research, I have seen no-one recommending the use of Nolvadex throughout a cycle. The principle seems reasonably sound (protection from being invited to join in wet T-Shirt contests and having bigger boobs that my wife all sounds good to me), but why isn't anyone else promoting this?
Now I know there'll be about 100 potential responses telling me the steroid courses I plan are crap, rubbish, too soon, too late, not enough etc (and everyone is of course welcome to their opinion - if we all had the same views life would be pretty boring!), but if I could just get some views on this Nolvadex issue, I'd be incredibly grateful.
My thanks to anyone kind enough to respond.

MXD · 14-06-2008, 03:22 PM

Nothing wrong with a low dose of nolva 10mg say on cycle as it helps keep your cholesterol profiles sweet.
Nolva does decrease IGF-1 by 22%-27%. So weigh it up.

Id much rather feel the need for a aromatise inhibitor to keep water off and incase of gyno.

If you are estro prone you can then just up the AI and nolva.

Clomid and nolva taken together will also be better than taking only one.

**hackskii** · 14-06-2008, 03:34 PM

I would suggest an aromatase inhibitor over nolva during a cycle.
If you made this post in the steroid section under a new thread you will probably get more repsonces.

Kazza61 · 14-06-2008, 05:08 PM

Thanks MXD.
Thanks also hackskii -- I'll take your advice and start a new thread!

GetNbig · 02-07-2008, 05:41 PM

this explains more in this one thread than any research i have done on internet....well done

tommy y · 05-07-2008, 02:07 PM

so is it possible to over use hcg? i have recently come off my contest diet an ran test enanthanate for three weeks with prop, as a kind of rebound course. shoudl i wait two weeks before introducing hcg? i have been using tamoxifen at 20-40mg/day for the majority of the course both pre an post contest, is tamoxifen a viable replacement for nolvadex? i mainly used the tamoxifen to stop bitch tit, i'm not exactly an expert on pct so any advice would be much appreciated

**hackskii** · 05-07-2008, 05:13 PM

tamoxifen is nolvadex.

When are you going to start PCT?

darkstar · 05-07-2008, 05:34 PM

Im week three of PCT 50mg clomid ED and 20 mgNolva ED.
The first week i did two shots of HCG at 1000iu.
During week two my sex drive was up.
Now its flat. I got it up yesterday but i just am not that interested.
Id like to boost back up.
Also playing a factor here is ive been enduring a bad back injury, still i can tell sex drive is pretty much gone .One more thing i should add my nuts have deffinatly returned to full size. I actually thought they had not atropied but i now know that they did.
I was thinking i should try some more HCG ?and keep runnning the clomid and nolva.
What do yall think?

tommy y · 05-07-2008, 05:41 PM

not sure when to start pct, should i start it now?its been two weeks since i finished on prop and enanthanate.

10-06-2008, 04:50 PM	#91 (permalink)
itraininthedark Il stuff your butt Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Understanding PCT what should the correct PCT protocol be fro coming off a cycle of Prop 500mg/w Equi 500mg/w Dbol 40mg a day.. people keep saying differnt things and my head might as well be up my **** now.. any ideas anyone.. read on another thread eating a womans placenta helps?? he he he

10-06-2008, 06:16 PM	#92 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,650	Re: Understanding PCT How long was the cycle for? Did you do any HCG during? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-06-2008, 07:43 PM	#93 (permalink)
itraininthedark Il stuff your butt Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Understanding PCT its 8 week cycle mate, not run HCG throughout.

10-06-2008, 08:06 PM	#94 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,650	Re: Understanding PCT Well, the start time will be 3 weeks from last EQ jab. You probably could use some HCG in there. Some clomid and nolva would be good. The amounts depend on the person, the amount of time on, and the amount of gear used. some guys recover very well, some dont. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-06-2008, 11:14 PM	#95 (permalink)
tms1978 Training Hard Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 29	Re: Understanding PCT Hey hackskii, wanted to say thanks for all the info on here, you're the oracle of pct info! lol

14-06-2008, 03:15 PM	#97 (permalink)
Kazza61 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 19	Re: Understanding PCT Hi - just joined! This thread seems to be wrestling with what is currently causing my biggest headache (and potentially my smallest balls by the sound of it!). Having trained for over 30 years (and being nearly 47 years old), I have acheived rather limited results in the BB game (I'm starting to wish I'd gone for darts now!). I've now decided to see what the chemists can do for a life long hard-gainer like myself. My research starting point was Mick Hart's 'Layman's' Guides and at this point in time, I now have a cabinet full of pronabol, Sustanon and Deca Durabolin. To go with these, I have some Nolvadex and Clomid. I also have a few pots of Clenbuterol too. (Oh, and some Milk Thistle?!) I had planned the following: A Pronabol course, break, Pronabol + Deca course, break, and finally (for this part of the master plan anyway), a Pronabol + Sust course. Following Mick Hart's advice, I had planned to use Nolvadex throughout all the courses (and maybe use Clen after all of them too). The other part of my program would be to use Clomid after all the courses in pretty much the way that has been described on this thread as a PCT. My concern is, that despite hours and hours of online research, I have seen no-one recommending the use of Nolvadex throughout a cycle. The principle seems reasonably sound (protection from being invited to join in wet T-Shirt contests and having bigger boobs that my wife all sounds good to me), but why isn't anyone else promoting this? Now I know there'll be about 100 potential responses telling me the steroid courses I plan are crap, rubbish, too soon, too late, not enough etc (and everyone is of course welcome to their opinion - if we all had the same views life would be pretty boring!), but if I could just get some views on this Nolvadex issue, I'd be incredibly grateful. My thanks to anyone kind enough to respond. Last edited by Kazza61; 14-06-2008 at 03:18 PM.

14-06-2008, 03:34 PM	#99 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,650	Re: Understanding PCT I would suggest an aromatase inhibitor over nolva during a cycle. If you made this post in the steroid section under a new thread you will probably get more repsonces. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

14-06-2008, 05:08 PM	#100 (permalink)
Kazza61 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 19	Re: Understanding PCT Thanks MXD. Thanks also hackskii -- I'll take your advice and start a new thread!

02-07-2008, 05:41 PM	#101 (permalink)
GetNbig Getnbig Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: uk Posts: 19	Re: Understanding PCT this explains more in this one thread than any research i have done on internet....well done

05-07-2008, 02:07 PM	#102 (permalink)
tommy y WFF Mr Universe2008 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 167	Re: Understanding PCT so is it possible to over use hcg? i have recently come off my contest diet an ran test enanthanate for three weeks with prop, as a kind of rebound course. shoudl i wait two weeks before introducing hcg? i have been using tamoxifen at 20-40mg/day for the majority of the course both pre an post contest, is tamoxifen a viable replacement for nolvadex? i mainly used the tamoxifen to stop bitch tit, i'm not exactly an expert on pct so any advice would be much appreciated __________________ Lakes Classic Novice&Overall 1st Place NABBA North West Novice 1st Place EFBB North West Under 90KG 2nd Place Novice Mr Britain 2008 WFF Mr Universe Sponsored by K2-Nutrition

05-07-2008, 05:13 PM	#103 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,650	Re: Understanding PCT tamoxifen is nolvadex. When are you going to start PCT? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-07-2008, 05:34 PM	#104 (permalink)
darkstar Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 394	Re: Understanding PCT Im week three of PCT 50mg clomid ED and 20 mgNolva ED. The first week i did two shots of HCG at 1000iu. During week two my sex drive was up. Now its flat. I got it up yesterday but i just am not that interested. Id like to boost back up. Also playing a factor here is ive been enduring a bad back injury, still i can tell sex drive is pretty much gone .One more thing i should add my nuts have deffinatly returned to full size. I actually thought they had not atropied but i now know that they did. I was thinking i should try some more HCG ?and keep runnning the clomid and nolva. What do yall think? Last edited by darkstar; 05-07-2008 at 06:13 PM.

05-07-2008, 05:41 PM	#105 (permalink)
tommy y WFF Mr Universe2008 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 167	Re: Understanding PCT not sure when to start pct, should i start it now?its been two weeks since i finished on prop and enanthanate. __________________ Lakes Classic Novice&Overall 1st Place NABBA North West Novice 1st Place EFBB North West Under 90KG 2nd Place Novice Mr Britain 2008 WFF Mr Universe Sponsored by K2-Nutrition

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