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**Nytol** · 10-10-2006, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinytom

Supposedly not as toxic but I'm being cautious and only using .5mg a day until I can gauge its toxicity.

A guy on another site I speak to, ran 1mg per day, for 8 weeks, plus test and some oral dbol at the end, and his liver values were only slightly elevated, certainly no where near dangerous.

I'll find it and post it, if your interested?

It will be interesting to see how the oral that PS is using rates against the inj, although he is using 6 times the dose

**Pscarb** · 11-10-2006, 10:21 AM

i was using the Oral as after speaking to Tom at the weekend i have decided to switch to the injectable...

**Tinytom** · 11-10-2006, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nytol

A guy on another site I speak to, ran 1mg per day, for 8 weeks, plus test and some oral dbol at the end, and his liver values were only slightly elevated, certainly no where near dangerous.

I'll find it and post it, if your interested?

It will be interesting to see how the oral that PS is using rates against the inj, although he is using 6 times the dose

Yes please.

**Nytol** · 11-10-2006, 11:24 AM

Posted by Whitey

How Toxic Is Methyl-Tren?

So, I got tired of all the speculation, loose anecdotal evidence, and relying on so-called "gurus'" steroid profiles, which seem to have created this fine vapor of mystery around the potent hormone metribolone, methyltrienolone, or more simply put - Methyl-Tren. Here's what I can offer about this compound:

Dosing:
We've heard ranges from 250mcg ED to 2-3mg a day, always attached to the caveat that your liver will curl up and die if you take this compound for more than 3-4 weeks.

The Cycle:
Given my affinity for anabolic compounds, my innate curiosity, my ability to handle the volume of zeros involved in converting a gram of M-T into dosable mcg quantities, and of course, my iron liver - I was the natural choice to perform the experiment. I'm a natural born lab rat.

Having a previous oral cycle of M-T under my belt, where the side effects got pretty d@mn brutal, I had developed a respect for the compound. So I decided to go with an injectable version, to reduce liver stress by avoiding first pass, at a reasonable dose of 500mcg/day. I found it to be quite effective, and with a stack of liver, blood pressure, and lipid support supplements, the sides were negligible, so I bumped the dose to 1mg/ED. I again found the side effects to be pretty reasonable at 1 mg, so I stayed there for the remainder of the eight week cycle.

Note regarding other compounds used on this cycle: This does not purport to be a study on the effectiveness of Methyl-Tren at any dose, although I did find the compound to be highly effective - results came quickly, and I put on size quickly, and was extremely vascular. The reason I say I can't speak to the effectiveness, is because I was experimenting with other injectable oral compounds, among other things, during this time as part of my ongoing research. You'll see that I tagged in and out a bunch of compounds, and if it seems like a hodge-podge of chemicals, it's because it was. It was all in the name of science.

Liver Check: The other compounds
I ran a low dose of test throughout - 750mg/wk, plus 50mg inj. dbol ED for the first 4 weeks, 75mg winstrol susp ED for the first 6 weeks, then for the last 2 weeks of the cycle, it was 75mg (orally) mestanolone (methyl-DHT, a very underrated AAS) ED, with 50mg dbol (orally) Pre-W/O only. The only other compound whose liver effects are worth mentioning, would be accutane, which I was forced to add because the methyl-tren was making me a bit oily. That was run at 30mg EOD for about the duration of the 8 week cycle.

The Aftermath - Whitey Gets Bloodwork:
I took 48 hours off all liver toxic compounds before having bloodwork done. Here are the results of the liver panel (just a few weeks old at this point):

Hepatic Function Panel

Protein, Total, Serum......7.4 g/dL........normal.......reference: 6.0 - 8.5
Albumin, Serum..............4.5 g/dL........normal.......reference: 3.5 - 5.5
Bilirubin, Total................0.7 mg/dL......normal.......reference: 0.1 - 1.2
Bilirubin, Direct.............0.10 mg/dL......normal.......reference: 0.00 - 0.40
Alkaline Phosphatase, S..117 IU/L.........normal.......reference: 25 - 150
AST..............................75 IU/L.........high..........reference: 0 - 40
ALT...............................61 IU/L.........high..........reference: 0 - 55

So, as you can see, everything was well within normal, except the AST and ALT scores. The ALT was just slightly (6 pts) above the normal range, and the AST was 35 pts above, but nothing to be worried about. The Dr. said no liver damage is done at these levels, nothing to be concerned about, just something to keep an eye on.

Conclusion:
So, how toxic is Methyl-Tren? No single user study could say for sure, but given my experience of running 1mg M-T ED for 8 weeks along with other liver-toxic compounds, I'd wager that the toxicity is reasonable enough that a healthy adult male bb'er could run an injectable version at 0.5 - 1mg/ED for a reasonable period of time, provided he stays hydrated and takes a liver support stack as a precaution.

-W-

**big pete** · 11-10-2006, 01:10 PM

wow!! i was concerned about running the MT on its own, let alone adding in dbol winny and mestenalone,lol!!

i got some of that mestenalone for my next course too

i know this is a conclusion of liver values, but did he also mention the gains he made?

Magic Torch · 11-10-2006, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pete

i know this is a conclusion of liver values, but did he also mention the gains he made?

PMSL That is the most important thing to most, sod my liver will I get stacked!

I think this is one for you big boys but I will read Toms progress with interest, maybe one day I might....

**Nytol** · 11-10-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pete

i know this is a conclusion of liver values, but did he also mention the gains he made?

He gained 15lb, and dropped BF.

He was going in for shoulder surgery, so he was not training at maximum, due to the injury.

He said most gains came in the 1st month, then leveled off.

**Tinytom** · 11-10-2006, 03:51 PM

Yesterday was shoulder day

I ate/did this

8am - 4 weetabix and a 40g protein shake

11am - 300g chicken and 50g rice

1pm - Inner Armour Mass drink - 50g protein, 70g carbs

3pm - same as 11am

4.30pm - same as 1pm

5.30pm - BCAAs and Test-9-meth (ZMA,Tribulus,longjack) 0.5mg Methyl trienolone

6pm - Train

7.20pm - 4iu slin

7.30pm - Cellmass

7.45pm - PWO shake - 60g IA Whey and BCAA powder with 150g sugars

9.30pm - 200g Fillet Steak with Sweet potatoes and brocolli

10.30pm - IA Secreta GH capsules

The workout was quite good however my strength was hampered by my foot so I could not steady myself on a bench as easily, still got the 45kg DBs up for 12 reps but I wanted to do more.

What I noticed was that I was stronger throughout the workout and I was able to do heavy weight up till the end (20kg lateral raises, no bouncing)

Today is a day off training for me so I will be eating more.

I will be weighing myself today and hopefully I'll get some pics up later this week for a before shot.

the_gre8t_1ne · 11-10-2006, 03:56 PM

1 question, whats IA Secreta GH capsules?

**Tinytom** · 11-10-2006, 05:09 PM

Inner Armour Secreta GH - Its a GH releasing natural supplement.

MIGEL · 12-10-2006, 02:04 PM

Been hearing some good stuff about this product will be interesting to see how TT does!!

Is this something that you would normally run on its own or is it ok to stack????

**Tinytom** · 12-10-2006, 02:24 PM

Yesterday was a rest day

I ate

8am - Weetabix and Protein drink

11am - 300g chicken and Sweet pots

1pm - MRP 40g protein 50g carbs

3pm - same as 11am

4.30pm - same as 1pm

6pm - 2 steak burgers (20g protein each) in buns

9pm - 1 steak burger

I did not use Methyl Trien yesterday as I want to try 1mg today.

matt p · 12-10-2006, 02:58 PM

just intrested to know what your new training regime consits of and what split your using mate? thanx for the reply about changchun generics aswell mate.

**Tinytom** · 12-10-2006, 08:19 PM

OK Today was Back and Traps

Lots of heavy deads and BB rowing

I am 85kg today at the start of my course

Excuse the hairy back

**Tinytom** · 12-10-2006, 08:20 PM

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Tinytom SuperMod on the road to redemption Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,376	Yesterday was shoulder day I ate/did this 8am - 4 weetabix and a 40g protein shake 11am - 300g chicken and 50g rice 1pm - Inner Armour Mass drink - 50g protein, 70g carbs 3pm - same as 11am 4.30pm - same as 1pm 5.30pm - BCAAs and Test-9-meth (ZMA,Tribulus,longjack) 0.5mg Methyl trienolone 6pm - Train 7.20pm - 4iu slin 7.30pm - Cellmass 7.45pm - PWO shake - 60g IA Whey and BCAA powder with 150g sugars 9.30pm - 200g Fillet Steak with Sweet potatoes and brocolli 10.30pm - IA Secreta GH capsules The workout was quite good however my strength was hampered by my foot so I could not steady myself on a bench as easily, still got the 45kg DBs up for 12 reps but I wanted to do more. What I noticed was that I was stronger throughout the workout and I was able to do heavy weight up till the end (20kg lateral raises, no bouncing) Today is a day off training for me so I will be eating more. I will be weighing myself today and hopefully I'll get some pics up later this week for a before shot. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Coming Soon To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Nytol UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,422	Posted by Whitey How Toxic Is Methyl-Tren? So, I got tired of all the speculation, loose anecdotal evidence, and relying on so-called "gurus'" steroid profiles, which seem to have created this fine vapor of mystery around the potent hormone metribolone, methyltrienolone, or more simply put - Methyl-Tren. Here's what I can offer about this compound: Dosing: We've heard ranges from 250mcg ED to 2-3mg a day, always attached to the caveat that your liver will curl up and die if you take this compound for more than 3-4 weeks. The Cycle: Given my affinity for anabolic compounds, my innate curiosity, my ability to handle the volume of zeros involved in converting a gram of M-T into dosable mcg quantities, and of course, my iron liver - I was the natural choice to perform the experiment. I'm a natural born lab rat. Having a previous oral cycle of M-T under my belt, where the side effects got pretty d@mn brutal, I had developed a respect for the compound. So I decided to go with an injectable version, to reduce liver stress by avoiding first pass, at a reasonable dose of 500mcg/day. I found it to be quite effective, and with a stack of liver, blood pressure, and lipid support supplements, the sides were negligible, so I bumped the dose to 1mg/ED. I again found the side effects to be pretty reasonable at 1 mg, so I stayed there for the remainder of the eight week cycle. Note regarding other compounds used on this cycle: This does not purport to be a study on the effectiveness of Methyl-Tren at any dose, although I did find the compound to be highly effective - results came quickly, and I put on size quickly, and was extremely vascular. The reason I say I can't speak to the effectiveness, is because I was experimenting with other injectable oral compounds, among other things, during this time as part of my ongoing research. You'll see that I tagged in and out a bunch of compounds, and if it seems like a hodge-podge of chemicals, it's because it was. It was all in the name of science. Liver Check: The other compounds I ran a low dose of test throughout - 750mg/wk, plus 50mg inj. dbol ED for the first 4 weeks, 75mg winstrol susp ED for the first 6 weeks, then for the last 2 weeks of the cycle, it was 75mg (orally) mestanolone (methyl-DHT, a very underrated AAS) ED, with 50mg dbol (orally) Pre-W/O only. The only other compound whose liver effects are worth mentioning, would be accutane, which I was forced to add because the methyl-tren was making me a bit oily. That was run at 30mg EOD for about the duration of the 8 week cycle. The Aftermath - Whitey Gets Bloodwork: I took 48 hours off all liver toxic compounds before having bloodwork done. Here are the results of the liver panel (just a few weeks old at this point): Hepatic Function Panel Protein, Total, Serum......7.4 g/dL........normal.......reference: 6.0 - 8.5 Albumin, Serum..............4.5 g/dL........normal.......reference: 3.5 - 5.5 Bilirubin, Total................0.7 mg/dL......normal.......reference: 0.1 - 1.2 Bilirubin, Direct.............0.10 mg/dL......normal.......reference: 0.00 - 0.40 Alkaline Phosphatase, S..117 IU/L.........normal.......reference: 25 - 150 AST..............................75 IU/L.........high..........reference: 0 - 40 ALT...............................61 IU/L.........high..........reference: 0 - 55 So, as you can see, everything was well within normal, except the AST and ALT scores. The ALT was just slightly (6 pts) above the normal range, and the AST was 35 pts above, but nothing to be worried about. The Dr. said no liver damage is done at these levels, nothing to be concerned about, just something to keep an eye on. Conclusion: So, how toxic is Methyl-Tren? No single user study could say for sure, but given my experience of running 1mg M-T ED for 8 weeks along with other liver-toxic compounds, I'd wager that the toxicity is reasonable enough that a healthy adult male bb'er could run an injectable version at 0.5 - 1mg/ED for a reasonable period of time, provided he stays hydrated and takes a liver support stack as a precaution. -W-

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12-10-2006, 02:58 PM	#28 (permalink)
matt p Gym Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 120	just intrested to know what your new training regime consits of and what split your using mate? thanx for the reply about changchun generics aswell mate.