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flyer12 · 14-09-2006, 10:27 PM

hi,

whats the best cycle to take for not getting any visual side effects meaning acne, greasy skin, dry skin, bloat i know every body differs but tbh got a a little bit of acne and greasy skin during the end of my cycle of test and deca and did not like it at all, looked horrible! was not looking super sexy for the ladies! you know what i mean boys?

so was wondering is there anything? not bothered if you have to pay a bit extra. if you could give us some info so i can read up on the stuff!
much appreciated

flyer

BIG-UNC · 14-09-2006, 11:04 PM

tbol is good and the sides are pretty low mate definately no bloat!!!!

i would think youd have to do some experiments mate cos different gear affects people in different ways!

like anadrol its mates most people bloat (i know most of this is due to poor diets) it doesnt bloat me at all infact it makes me lean!!!!

John · 15-09-2006, 09:23 AM

personally i think things like this come down to poor diet, hygene, the condition you are in at the moment ( or when cycling ), body type ie did you suffer from stuff like this as a kid etc.

ive used a lot of different products at different dosages for different lengths of time, and touch wood ive never had more than a few spots ( like half a dozen small pimples on my shoulders or a couple on my arm ).

its important to bath at least twice a day, use a good soap / wash whatever, try to use fresh clean towels and if you can get the bed changed once a week.

however to get back to your main q, i think things like primo and anavar may help, products that are relatively mild ( i would think ) would be the way to go, but again this is only my opinion.

**big pete** · 15-09-2006, 11:08 AM

primo and var would be my vote.

as daft as it sounds, ive used test in the region of 500-1000mg a week in the past and had bad spots/acne. but just finished 2.5g of test a week and havent had a pimple.

also, has John has also mentioned, diet (saturated fats), hygeine and all other factors contribute hugely

gangst · 17-09-2006, 08:20 PM

You could always take roaccutane with your cycle. Its prescription stuff for people with acne, but you can by it off thenet. The sides are pretty long, but if you take the dosage according to bodyweight it should keep acne away.
You can buy it off the net, but I don't think its that cheap, but it should defiantely work.

**hackskii** · 18-09-2006, 06:14 PM

I get an oily face during the cycle. There is no way of getting around this one for me. I have a rag at work I wipe the grease off from. Pillow takes a hit here too

I do take adex during my cycles to keep the bloat and excess estrogen down but other than severe testicular atrophy the greasy face is mostly it.
Oh, that and some occasional high blood pressure

I think Pete hit this one on the head.

flyer12 · 18-09-2006, 08:14 PM

well what about this: primo 200mg/week
deca 200-400mg/week
andriol 240mg/day
how'd you think the sides would be for this cycle?
maybe say 8-10 week cycle. would you take the andriol for that long??

**hackskii** · 18-09-2006, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyer12

well what about this: primo 200mg/week
deca 200-400mg/week
andriol 240mg/day
how'd you think the sides would be for this cycle?
maybe say 8-10 week cycle. would you take the andriol for that long??

Yes you can take it that long.
I dont think you will see much using 200mg on the primo.
Also that is the minimum amount for andriol.
I dont like the idea of the deca being higher than the testosterone (andriol) tho.

That would be kind of an expensive cycle too.....ouch....

flyer12 · 19-09-2006, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Yes you can take it that long.
I dont think you will see much using 200mg on the primo.
Also that is the minimum amount for andriol.
I dont like the idea of the deca being higher than the testosterone (andriol) tho.

That would be kind of an expensive cycle too.....ouch....

so what would you say for the primo?? 300-400mg and what if i took the deca out of the equation? do you think id get good gains with a good diet just with primo and andriol?? or what about primo, anvar cycle have you tried that?

its true andriol does not affect your liver, yeah?

Also cant seem to find how long these steroids stay in your system, you see we get random drug tests sometimes after games!! but im gonna be out for 3 months or so probably.

i would rather spend the extra and get minimal sides!

**hackskii** · 19-09-2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyer12

so what would you say for the primo?? 300-400mg and what if i took the deca out of the equation? do you think id get good gains with a good diet just with primo and andriol?? or what about primo, anvar cycle have you tried that?

its true andriol does not affect your liver, yeah?

Also cant seem to find how long these steroids stay in your system, you see we get random drug tests sometimes after games!! but im gonna be out for 3 months or so probably.

i would rather spend the extra and get minimal sides!

Well, Deca for me is a no no, I shutdown very hard on that stuff.
Andriol is pretty liver frendly, sides are low unless you start upping the dose then sides are more prominant like a normal test cycle would be.

Damn, for low sides I would think primo, anavar cycle. That will have low impact on the HPTA and low sides.
But you wont gain all that much either but you wont lose all that much as well.

I am on Anavar right now by itself to see the gains. I do feel fuller but like all orals I take it feels like I get bloated on them. I think it is a digestion thing. Its not water retention, like gas or something

....heee heee

Low sides, anavar, primo.
I think the active life of anavar is around 8-12 hours, the andriol the active life is less than 8 hours, the primo tabs have an active life of 4-6 hours and the primobolan depot (methenolone enanthate) has a active life of around 10-14 days.

So far I like the anavar, got 2 more reps on my bench this week over last week and I only was on about 80mg for 3 days.

**big pete** · 19-09-2006, 03:45 PM

if your a tested athlete, then prop and anavar would be the choices. they are both out of your system (in detection terms) in a matter of 2 weeks.

what sport do you partake in?

flyer12 · 20-09-2006, 05:09 PM

was thinking that, primo/ var cycle and just a normal pct after that cycle scott??

never tried prop pete but seems to be the sides are less pronounced than the rest of the tests, I just dont think my body reacts well with the oil based stuff cause never had a problem with acne before as a kid and my diets clean, the problem is acne scars its one thing i used to dread as a kid getting acne luckily i never got it used to feel sorry for some guys that got it bad....The past 2 cycles ive got it and its fcuking horrible greasy skin is not a good look.

what do you guys think in regard to the prop in past experience? if taken offcourse!

**big pete** · 21-09-2006, 10:01 AM

prop is very controlable, its in and out of the system very quick, so even if you do suffer sides from it, when you stop the sides will subside very quickly afterwards.

also, EOD shots of prop will yield even blood levels, the average dose being 100mg will only total 350mg/wk. where as 2 shots of enanthate will be 500mg/wk.

prop is detectable for 2 weeks after last admin, enanthate is upto 5 months!!

but if your a tested athlete, id say to leave the sauce alone

flyer12 · 21-09-2006, 11:33 PM

yeah i would have left it pete but ive broke my ankle and im gonna be out for a while so ive got a bit of a gap and wont be getting tested as long as im not playing. so really now is the time if you know what i mean. but the thing is im a bit worried cause if i get gear take it, all im gonna be doing is upper body which is gonna get big and im gonna have tiny pins!

14-09-2006, 10:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
flyer12 Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 46	visual side effects hi, whats the best cycle to take for not getting any visual side effects meaning acne, greasy skin, dry skin, bloat i know every body differs but tbh got a a little bit of acne and greasy skin during the end of my cycle of test and deca and did not like it at all, looked horrible! was not looking super sexy for the ladies! you know what i mean boys? so was wondering is there anything? not bothered if you have to pay a bit extra. if you could give us some info so i can read up on the stuff! much appreciated flyer

14-09-2006, 11:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,949	tbol is good and the sides are pretty low mate definately no bloat!!!! i would think youd have to do some experiments mate cos different gear affects people in different ways! like anadrol its mates most people bloat (i know most of this is due to poor diets) it doesnt bloat me at all infact it makes me lean!!!! __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

15-09-2006, 09:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,245	as above personally i think things like this come down to poor diet, hygene, the condition you are in at the moment ( or when cycling ), body type ie did you suffer from stuff like this as a kid etc. ive used a lot of different products at different dosages for different lengths of time, and touch wood ive never had more than a few spots ( like half a dozen small pimples on my shoulders or a couple on my arm ). its important to bath at least twice a day, use a good soap / wash whatever, try to use fresh clean towels and if you can get the bed changed once a week. however to get back to your main q, i think things like primo and anavar may help, products that are relatively mild ( i would think ) would be the way to go, but again this is only my opinion. __________________ *“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”*

15-09-2006, 11:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	primo and var would be my vote. as daft as it sounds, ive used test in the region of 500-1000mg a week in the past and had bad spots/acne. but just finished 2.5g of test a week and havent had a pimple. also, has John has also mentioned, diet (saturated fats), hygeine and all other factors contribute hugely __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

18-09-2006, 06:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	I get an oily face during the cycle. There is no way of getting around this one for me. I have a rag at work I wipe the grease off from. Pillow takes a hit here too I do take adex during my cycles to keep the bloat and excess estrogen down but other than severe testicular atrophy the greasy face is mostly it. Oh, that and some occasional high blood pressure I think Pete hit this one on the head. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-09-2006, 08:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
gangst Gym Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 481	You could always take roaccutane with your cycle. Its prescription stuff for people with acne, but you can by it off thenet. The sides are pretty long, but if you take the dosage according to bodyweight it should keep acne away. You can buy it off the net, but I don't think its that cheap, but it should defiantely work.

18-09-2006, 08:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
flyer12 Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 46	well what about this: primo 200mg/week deca 200-400mg/week andriol 240mg/day how'd you think the sides would be for this cycle? maybe say 8-10 week cycle. would you take the andriol for that long??

19-09-2006, 03:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	if your a tested athlete, then prop and anavar would be the choices. they are both out of your system (in detection terms) in a matter of 2 weeks. what sport do you partake in? __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

20-09-2006, 05:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
flyer12 Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 46	was thinking that, primo/ var cycle and just a normal pct after that cycle scott?? never tried prop pete but seems to be the sides are less pronounced than the rest of the tests, I just dont think my body reacts well with the oil based stuff cause never had a problem with acne before as a kid and my diets clean, the problem is acne scars its one thing i used to dread as a kid getting acne luckily i never got it used to feel sorry for some guys that got it bad....The past 2 cycles ive got it and its fcuking horrible greasy skin is not a good look. what do you guys think in regard to the prop in past experience? if taken offcourse!

21-09-2006, 10:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
big pete Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: south midlands Posts: 3,797	prop is very controlable, its in and out of the system very quick, so even if you do suffer sides from it, when you stop the sides will subside very quickly afterwards. also, EOD shots of prop will yield even blood levels, the average dose being 100mg will only total 350mg/wk. where as 2 shots of enanthate will be 500mg/wk. prop is detectable for 2 weeks after last admin, enanthate is upto 5 months!! but if your a tested athlete, id say to leave the sauce alone __________________ any questions?? feel free to email me on.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 'there is greatness inside all of us, how deep are you willing to dig? '

21-09-2006, 11:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
flyer12 Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 46	yeah i would have left it pete but ive broke my ankle and im gonna be out for a while so ive got a bit of a gap and wont be getting tested as long as im not playing. so really now is the time if you know what i mean. but the thing is im a bit worried cause if i get gear take it, all im gonna be doing is upper body which is gonna get big and im gonna have tiny pins!

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