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supercharged999 · 10-09-2006, 02:53 PM

hi all

been training 5 years on/off .

ht : 5.2 ft
wt : 70 kg
age : 34
body fat : 15%-!8%
just started getting serious now , as been out of traing due to family comitments (no traing for 16 months)

diet : 0600 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk.
0900 - 250 g oats
1200 - 1 tin tuna with 1 cup cooked pasta
1500 - 250 g oats
1800 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk
1930 - 1 chicken breast / small steak with pasta + steamed veg.
2100 - 2 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk .
around 150 g protein
200 g carbs

i want to build some quality muscle , looking at minimum water retension (prefer a lean look all year round ).

decca gave me itchy nips after 3 weeks (200 mg every 5 days )

looking at TURNABOL with CLENBUTEROL.
30 mg T-BOL /day
CLENBUTEROL ???????

THANKS

BIG-UNC · 10-09-2006, 04:17 PM

just do the tbol mate leave the clen out!!

nice stuff tbol mate i like it alot!!

nick500 · 10-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Your diet is way off. Stay away from steroids and clen and sort your diet out...

150grams protein is not enough, you are almost entirely reliant upon whey protein as your primary protein source, you aren't eating enough solid food. in 250 grams oats there are 165 grams of carbs and 40 grams of protein.

Your calculations i think are way off.

diet : 0600 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk.

3 scoops whey at ~20 grams per scoop = 60grams + 10 from milk = 70
20 grams carbs

0900 - 250 g oats

35 grams protein, 165 grams carbs

1200 - 1 tin tuna with 1 cup cooked pasta

approx 50 grams carbs, 40 grams protein

1500 - 250 g oats

35 grams protein, 165 grams carbs

1800 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk

3 scoops whey at ~20 grams per scoop = 60grams + 10 from milk = 70
20 grams carbs

1930 - 1 chicken breast / small steak with pasta + steamed veg.

50 - 80 grams carbs, 40 grams protein

2100 - 2 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk .

2 scoops whey at ~20 grams per scoop = 40grams + 10 from milk = 50
15 grams carbs

= ~ 340 grams protein, ~500 grams carbs

You are consuming huge amounts of carbs, but want to stay lean all year round, but also build quality muscle.

I think you are confused about a few things.

You also have no real healthy fats (EFAs)...

Nick

jugganaut · 11-09-2006, 01:28 PM

If your looking for lean gains, diet is everything, and of course along with the way you train is very important. I myself take in about 200g-250g of protein per day, but I do eat proper meals throughout the day. It seems to work for me. I think 30mg a day is low. 60mg per day, split between am and pm works for me. What about you pct?

**hackskii** · 11-09-2006, 06:45 PM

I agree, with above on the needing more solid foods.

I also think you need some good fats in there, fish oils are a fantastic choice for this.

I also think that you should have carbs, proteins, fats together with each meal with the exception of PWO.

I also see pretty high GI carbs like the pasta in those two meals.
I like the idea of the tuna and an apple with some fish oils or avacado on the tuna myself.

supercharged999 · 19-09-2006, 04:06 PM

been on holiday

so back on track now.

my issue is that i can only fit in 3 - 4 meals in a day (hence the protein shake consumption ).

i'm going to cut my 12:00 meal to 1 TIN TUNA with TBL spoon light mayo.( no pasta )
15:00 meal to 1 slice toast with T- spoon light peanut butter + 2 eggs (no 250g oats )

just measurd my bf % whilst on holiday it was 12%.

my training is only 3X /week @ 1 hour.( sat/sun/mon )
15 min run on tread mill inc. warm up - warm down

100 sit ups 4X 25 with 30 seconds rest.

chest+biceps :3 exercises each with 4 sets ( 25 -15-12-10 reps) 30 sec.rest inbetween.
back+shoulders: as above
legs+shoulders: as above

**hackskii** · 19-09-2006, 05:07 PM

Why shoulders twice a week?
I see you have not tricep exercises in there either.

supercharged999 · 20-09-2006, 02:36 PM

sorry....

chest+biceps
back+shoulders
legs+triceps

also how much tamoxifan/ nolva to take and when ?

**hackskii** · 20-09-2006, 03:12 PM

Well, for me I do clomid and nolva together at this amount.
Clomid 50mg twice a day for 30 days.
Nolva 20mg a day for 45 days.

Start your PCT next day after you drop the t-bol.

supercharged999 · 20-09-2006, 09:06 PM

thanks.

also how long to take the t-bol ?

6 weeks at 30 - 40 mg OR 14 on 14 off like d-bol.

if i cant get t-bol , will look at TRIBOLIN .

Truewarrior1 · 20-09-2006, 09:41 PM

Tribolin '75
methandriol dipropionate 40mg/1ml
nadrolone decanoate 35mg/ml

not the best of choices imo.

supercharged999 · 21-09-2006, 11:08 PM

do i need to pyramid the T-dol ?

also how long to go on for ?

looking at 40 mg / day for 6 weeks.

PCT will be nolva at 20 mg /day for 45 days (thanks hackskii )

Truewarrior1 · 22-09-2006, 02:18 AM

you dont need to pyramid, u need to up the dose

, 6 weeks on,start ure nolva higher for the first few days of pct. i hope the diet is sorted. otherwise ull lose ure gains.

supercharged999 · 22-09-2006, 02:44 PM

so is 60 mg not too much ? (never used T-bol before )

used to take 15 mg - 20 mg of D-bol , (but looked a little too puffy ).

thanks

**hackskii** · 22-09-2006, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercharged999

so is 60 mg not too much ? (never used T-bol before )

used to take 15 mg - 20 mg of D-bol , (but looked a little too puffy ).

thanks

Hell, I feel puffy on all orals. For me I think it has to do with digestion or slowing it down somewhat.

10-09-2006, 02:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
supercharged999 makin a comeback ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: yorks Posts: 18	t-bol / tribolin hi all been training 5 years on/off . ht : 5.2 ft wt : 70 kg age : 34 body fat : 15%-!8% just started getting serious now , as been out of traing due to family comitments (no traing for 16 months) diet : 0600 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk. 0900 - 250 g oats 1200 - 1 tin tuna with 1 cup cooked pasta 1500 - 250 g oats 1800 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk 1930 - 1 chicken breast / small steak with pasta + steamed veg. 2100 - 2 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk . around 150 g protein 200 g carbs i want to build some quality muscle , looking at minimum water retension (prefer a lean look all year round ). decca gave me itchy nips after 3 weeks (200 mg every 5 days ) looking at TURNABOL with CLENBUTEROL. 30 mg T-BOL /day CLENBUTEROL ??????? THANKS Last edited by supercharged999; 20-09-2006 at 09:08 PM.

10-09-2006, 04:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,945	just do the tbol mate leave the clen out!! nice stuff tbol mate i like it alot!! __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-09-2006, 01:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
jugganaut Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Ennit! Posts: 154	If your looking for lean gains, diet is everything, and of course along with the way you train is very important. I myself take in about 200g-250g of protein per day, but I do eat proper meals throughout the day. It seems to work for me. I think 30mg a day is low. 60mg per day, split between am and pm works for me. What about you pct? __________________ It's not pain your feeling, its progress.

11-09-2006, 06:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,138	I agree, with above on the needing more solid foods. I also think you need some good fats in there, fish oils are a fantastic choice for this. I also think that you should have carbs, proteins, fats together with each meal with the exception of PWO. I also see pretty high GI carbs like the pasta in those two meals. I like the idea of the tuna and an apple with some fish oils or avacado on the tuna myself. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

19-09-2006, 05:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,138	Why shoulders twice a week? I see you have not tricep exercises in there either. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-09-2006, 04:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
nick500 Eating expert Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bristol Posts: 130	Your diet is way off. Stay away from steroids and clen and sort your diet out... 150grams protein is not enough, you are almost entirely reliant upon whey protein as your primary protein source, you aren't eating enough solid food. in 250 grams oats there are 165 grams of carbs and 40 grams of protein. Your calculations i think are way off. diet : 0600 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk. 3 scoops whey at ~20 grams per scoop = 60grams + 10 from milk = 70 20 grams carbs 0900 - 250 g oats 35 grams protein, 165 grams carbs 1200 - 1 tin tuna with 1 cup cooked pasta approx 50 grams carbs, 40 grams protein 1500 - 250 g oats 35 grams protein, 165 grams carbs 1800 - 3 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk 3 scoops whey at ~20 grams per scoop = 60grams + 10 from milk = 70 20 grams carbs 1930 - 1 chicken breast / small steak with pasta + steamed veg. 50 - 80 grams carbs, 40 grams protein 2100 - 2 scoops REFLEX INSTANT WHEY in 250 ml milk . 2 scoops whey at ~20 grams per scoop = 40grams + 10 from milk = 50 15 grams carbs = ~ 340 grams protein, ~500 grams carbs You are consuming huge amounts of carbs, but want to stay lean all year round, but also build quality muscle. I think you are confused about a few things. You also have no real healthy fats (EFAs)... Nick

19-09-2006, 04:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
supercharged999 makin a comeback ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: yorks Posts: 18	been on holiday so back on track now. my issue is that i can only fit in 3 - 4 meals in a day (hence the protein shake consumption ). i'm going to cut my 12:00 meal to 1 TIN TUNA with TBL spoon light mayo.( no pasta ) 15:00 meal to 1 slice toast with T- spoon light peanut butter + 2 eggs (no 250g oats ) just measurd my bf % whilst on holiday it was 12%. my training is only 3X /week @ 1 hour.( sat/sun/mon ) 15 min run on tread mill inc. warm up - warm down 100 sit ups 4X 25 with 30 seconds rest. chest+biceps :3 exercises each with 4 sets ( 25 -15-12-10 reps) 30 sec.rest inbetween. back+shoulders: as above legs+shoulders: as above

20-09-2006, 02:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
supercharged999 makin a comeback ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: yorks Posts: 18	sorry.... chest+biceps back+shoulders legs+triceps also how much tamoxifan/ nolva to take and when ? Last edited by supercharged999; 20-09-2006 at 02:51 PM.

20-09-2006, 03:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,138	Well, for me I do clomid and nolva together at this amount. Clomid 50mg twice a day for 30 days. Nolva 20mg a day for 45 days. Start your PCT next day after you drop the t-bol. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

20-09-2006, 09:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
supercharged999 makin a comeback ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: yorks Posts: 18	thanks. also how long to take the t-bol ? 6 weeks at 30 - 40 mg OR 14 on 14 off like d-bol. if i cant get t-bol , will look at TRIBOLIN .

20-09-2006, 09:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Truewarrior1 Hulking Out! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,784	Tribolin '75 methandriol dipropionate 40mg/1ml nadrolone decanoate 35mg/ml not the best of choices imo. __________________ When You Dance With The Devil You Wait For The Song To Stop. Currently HULKING OUT!

21-09-2006, 11:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
supercharged999 makin a comeback ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: yorks Posts: 18	do i need to pyramid the T-dol ? also how long to go on for ? looking at 40 mg / day for 6 weeks. PCT will be nolva at 20 mg /day for 45 days (thanks hackskii )

22-09-2006, 02:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
Truewarrior1 Hulking Out! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,784	you dont need to pyramid, u need to up the dose , 6 weeks on,start ure nolva higher for the first few days of pct. i hope the diet is sorted. otherwise ull lose ure gains. __________________ When You Dance With The Devil You Wait For The Song To Stop. Currently HULKING OUT!

22-09-2006, 02:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
supercharged999 makin a comeback ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: yorks Posts: 18	so is 60 mg not too much ? (never used T-bol before ) used to take 15 mg - 20 mg of D-bol , (but looked a little too puffy ). thanks

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