Syron

Hey all,

Just wondered what the best drug for fat loss is? I train 3 times a week and my diet and supplementation is spot on, just need something to give me a bit of a boost with loosing some fat as im off on my hols in 5 weeks.

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BigDom

Hi,

ephedrine is meant to be very good for fat loss, i have never used it myself but i know people who have and tehy have found it to be very successful when accompanied with a sensible cardio programme.

BigDom

John

to loose fat, you need to have a good diet, eat regular meals and get plenty of cardio done.

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Pscarb

so you say your diet is spot on ok then post up your diet and let us see if it is spot on..
you will need to add cardio to your routine 5 x week at 40min each session then and only then will a drug like ECA help you lose the weight.....so get your diet up mate..

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Syron

Pscard - Posted my diet up in the other forum but will post it here as well. I currently do 45 mins of cardio 3 times a week at the gym, play football once a week and go mountainbiking most weekends but still cant seem to loose my excess fat - doin my head in!!! Its a last resort using drugs but seems like a quick and easy option at this moment in time. Heres my diet anyway -

Mon
7.30am - Porridge, Maximuscle Cylone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets
10.00am - Chicke salad sandwich, scotch egg
1.00pm - Tuna Sandwich (1 tin used), bag of mixed nuts, protein bar, crisps, apple, banana
4.30pm - x2 LA muscle tablets 15mins before Training
4.45pm - TRAINING (Chest Triceps) Maximuscle Cyclone post workout
7.00pm - 2/3 chicken breast wrapped in bacon with salad
Before Bed - Maximuscle Cyclone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets

Tue
7.30am - Porridge, Maximuscle Cylone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets
10.00am - BLT, scotch egg
1.00pm - Tuna Sandwich (1 tin used), bag of mixed nuts, protein bar, crisps, apple, banana
4.30pm - x2 LA muscle tablets 15mins before Football Training
4.45pm - FOOTBALL TRAINING Maximuscle Cyclone when i get home
7.00pm - Steamed fish loins and veg
Before Bed - Maximuscle Cyclone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets

Wed
7.30am - Porridge, Maximuscle Cylone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets
10.00am - Sausage and egg sandwich
1.00pm - Tuna Sandwich (1 tin used), bag of mixed nuts, protein bar, crisps, apple, banana
4.30pm - x2 LA muscle tablets 15mins before Training
4.45pm - TRAINING (Back, Shoulders) Maximuscle Cyclone post workout
7.00pm - Chicken, prawn stir fry
Before Bed - Maximuscle Cyclone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets

Thurs
7.30am - Porridge, Maximuscle Cylone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets
10.00am - Beef sandwich, scotch egg
1.00pm - Tuna Sandwich (1 tin used), bag of mixed nuts, protein bar, crisps, apple, banana
4.30pm - x2 LA muscle tablets 15mins before Football Training
4.45pm - FOOTBALL TRAINING Maximuscle Cyclone when i get home
7.00pm - x2 steaks, eggs and salad
Before Bed - Maximuscle Cyclone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets

Fri
7.30am - Porridge, Maximuscle Cylone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets
10.00am - Sausage and egg sandwich
1.00pm - Tuna Sandwich (1 tin used), bag of mixed nuts, protein bar, crisps, apple, banana
4.30pm - x2 LA muscle tablets 15mins before Training
4.45pm - TRAINING (Biceps, forearms, legs) Maximuscle Cyclone post workout
7.00pm - Chicken, prawn stir fry
Before Bed - Maximuscle Cyclone Shake, x2 LA Muscle Norateen tablets

Sat
x3 Maximuscle Cyclone Shakes
x6 LA Muscle Norateen tablets
Around 200g of protein per day - various foods


Cheers for the help guys

Nytol

DNP is king of fat loss, but not something to be messed with unless you really know what you are doing.

Jimmer

Syron - your diet is ok,i've seen better. Shouldn't be eating crisps and shouldn't be eating too much fruit though. Fruit is high is fructose (sugar) can cause insulin spikes thus fat gain. Bread dosen't come reccommended when dieting either,at least not in my book.

They key is low carbs,depending on your LEAN bodyweight I would estimate roughly under 100grams for the whole day,that should be mostly vegetables and slow burning carbs. Also I would say protein to be higher more like 250g but again what is your LBW? Also you need to calculate how many calories your body needs in a day,then eat less than that by 250-350cals per day. You could do a search on threads as many people have posted up how to calculate this.

I understand that cyclone is a weight gain shake!!! ?? or am I wrong here. If it is a weight gainer then drop this. You could use a MRP shake once a day the rest should be very low in carbs there are loads of whey shakes suitable for this.

If you change your diet around a bit you should see some good changes,without any drugs.

I would say if you do not make the changes then you will not see any fat loss. Fat loss is 80% diet,the rest comes from excercise. The "safer" drugs available to assist in this are minimal in helping the fat come off say 5-10%. There are more hardcore one's but they are reserved for very experienced bodybuilders at competion level (I would say).

The drugs in question are (I would say) Clenbuterol which is a asma medication,and ECA (ephedrine,caffine,asprine mix) this can be bought on the black market called EPH.

Hope this gives you a bit of a better view of the whole picture.

John

its not bad but its miles from spot on, i hate statements like that your setting yourself up for a fall, if it was spot on you wouldnt need to be here.

crisps, bread and too much fruit etc have to go, its ok saying i get 200gms of pro per day but if your eating way too much carbs and bad fats, its not gonna do much good now is it?

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Pscarb

now i have no time to go through every day of your diet.....

if you are wanting to lose the last bits of flab then you will need to drop the bread, scotch eggs, crisps...the best way to achieve what you want to achieve is to eat clean and weigh your food so you know what you are eating a sample diet would be

Meal 1 - 75g Oats, 1 banana, 2 scoops protein shake
Meal 2 - 200g chicken breast's 50g basmati rice
Meal 3 - a good Meal Replacement Drink + 50g peanuts
Meal 4 - 1 tin tuna, Salad
Meal 5 - PWO drink = 2 scoops build and recovery
Meal 6 - 200g chicken/Steak/Turkey/Salmon + veg/Salad
Meal 7 - Protein shake + 1 tbsp peanut butter

now this diet is spot on and along with a decent cardio and weights regime will help you lose weight.....

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Syron

Ok thanks for the advice I'm going to change my diet around and stick to a simple protein shake instead of cyclone. Sorry about using the phrase 'spot on' by the way, looks like ive upset a few people..... i have stuck to that diet for the last 3 months and have noticed a considerable change since i started so guessed that my diet was fine! Thanks for all your help anyways.

Pscarb

no mate you have not upset any one you have to understand that on the board we get guys who will take no advice over the simpler things like diet and training and just want to jump into using Drugs these guys use the phrase "Spot on" fortunatly it seems you are not one of these guys...

Ys i wouls imagine by switching to the diet you have been on you have lost fat but now your body needs a change to take off those last few pounds and the alterations i have suggested will do that...

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