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ben123 · 20-08-2006, 03:53 PM

ok am doing deca sus and dianbol bulking up. my q is do i do my cut straight after am using anavar. then do my pct or pct then cut ? give the body a rest like then cut ???

**Pscarb** · 20-08-2006, 03:55 PM

why don't you cut whilst on your PCT by modifying your diet and cardio regime??

ben123 · 20-08-2006, 04:15 PM

i seem to lose a lot of muscle you see so didnt want to lower the cals to much with out havin the anavar running in me i read anavar dont really affect natural test so could you use anavar and clomd at the same time ?

**Pscarb** · 20-08-2006, 04:29 PM

All steroids effect the HPTA yes Anavar does not effect the HPTA as much as Test but it still suppresses it but your Natty levels are shutdown after your cycle anyway so the Anavar would just add to the problem....why do you need to drop your cals to cut as i am assuming you are just cutting for yourself not a comp....if not for a comp then all you need to do is to eat lots of clean foods so your cals can be the same.....

ben123 · 20-08-2006, 04:35 PM

do you think it would be best to leave the anavar and use the clomid and nolva wot would you say is the best amount of clomid to use ? and how long? i have used anavar and andriol once worked well like

geordielad · 20-08-2006, 04:38 PM

pscarb, is it possible to bulk up yet lose bodyfat to show abs?

**hackskii** · 20-08-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ben123

do you think it would be best to leave the anavar and use the clomid and nolva wot would you say is the best amount of clomid to use ? and how long? i have used anavar and andriol once worked well like

If it was me, I would run the clomid @ 100mg a day, clomid can be run for around 3-4 weeks.
I also use nolva at the same time and I find for me works best. 20mg for 30 or even 45 days (this is what I do 45 days).
Tapering the SERMS is a good idea too.

**Robsta** · 20-08-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by geordielad

pscarb, is it possible to bulk up yet lose bodyfat to show abs?

TinyTom advocates maintaining leanness whilst bulking, search his threads mate and you should find some interesting info...

Baggio · 20-08-2006, 05:11 PM

its just me but i wud never cut during PCT. i believe u would just lose to much muscle gained from the cycle. when doing PCT the primary concern is getting your HPTA up to scratch & to preserve muscle gained. Imo cut during cycle (i.e towards the end) or after PCT.

**Pscarb** · 20-08-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by geordielad

pscarb, is it possible to bulk up yet lose bodyfat to show abs?

both myself and TinyTom as Robsta as said advocate clean bulking...bulking is not an excuse to eat crap you can bulk up and make impressive gains whilst maintain a decent lean level all you need to do is create your bulk diet from clan carbs and place some sort of cardio in there...

ben123 · 21-08-2006, 07:53 PM

am bulkin am not eating crap atall milk pasta oats fruit tuna chicken ect i was14/2pound just b4 i started the deca sus and dina its week 2 am now 14/5 wana get to 15 stone then drop to 14/6 after pct will have to wait and see am not going to do the anavar now as you sed just nolva and clomid after the cycle i will do the cut as that guy sed after the pct i will lose to much muscle as he sed

Baggio · 22-08-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ben123

am bulkin am not eating crap atall milk pasta oats fruit tuna chicken ect i was14/2pound just b4 i started the deca sus and dina its week 2 am now 14/5 wana get to 15 stone then drop to 14/6 after pct will have to wait and see am not going to do the anavar now as you sed just nolva and clomid after the cycle i will do the cut as that guy sed after the pct i will lose to much muscle as he sed

i presume your referring to me

ben123 · 22-08-2006, 06:10 PM

ye you dude

20-08-2006, 03:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
ben123 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	cut or pct ok am doing deca sus and dianbol bulking up. my q is do i do my cut straight after am using anavar. then do my pct or pct then cut ? give the body a rest like then cut ???

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Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9,887	All steroids effect the HPTA yes Anavar does not effect the HPTA as much as Test but it still suppresses it but your Natty levels are shutdown after your cycle anyway so the Anavar would just add to the problem....why do you need to drop your cals to cut as i am assuming you are just cutting for yourself not a comp....if not for a comp then all you need to do is to eat lots of clean foods so your cals can be the same..... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Admin at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Nutrition is your greatest anabolic agent everything else is just the icing on the cake

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20-08-2006, 04:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
ben123 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	i seem to lose a lot of muscle you see so didnt want to lower the cals to much with out havin the anavar running in me i read anavar dont really affect natural test so could you use anavar and clomd at the same time ?

20-08-2006, 04:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
ben123 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	do you think it would be best to leave the anavar and use the clomid and nolva wot would you say is the best amount of clomid to use ? and how long? i have used anavar and andriol once worked well like

20-08-2006, 04:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
geordielad Newbie Trainer Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10	pscarb, is it possible to bulk up yet lose bodyfat to show abs?

20-08-2006, 05:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Baggio 21 years old Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 388	its just me but i wud never cut during PCT. i believe u would just lose to much muscle gained from the cycle. when doing PCT the primary concern is getting your HPTA up to scratch & to preserve muscle gained. Imo cut during cycle (i.e towards the end) or after PCT.

21-08-2006, 07:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
ben123 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	am bulkin am not eating crap atall milk pasta oats fruit tuna chicken ect i was14/2pound just b4 i started the deca sus and dina its week 2 am now 14/5 wana get to 15 stone then drop to 14/6 after pct will have to wait and see am not going to do the anavar now as you sed just nolva and clomid after the cycle i will do the cut as that guy sed after the pct i will lose to much muscle as he sed

22-08-2006, 06:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
ben123 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35	ye you dude