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Old 08-08-2006, 06:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Paul G is right, the liver has remarkable regenerative properties, so it can take some serious abuse. However, while the liver is healing, you are not going to be growing much.

Also, some liver enzymes elevate at the drop of a hat, like GGT (gamma glutamyl tranferase).

Elevated liver enzymes mean that more of your liver cells are dying and releasing their enzymes than you would normally expect from the usual cell turnover.

ALT is also a liver/bone enzyme, do you have the level for that? And the bilirubin?

Please also list the total protein, albumin, globulin, U/E, and in the FBC (if you had) RBCs, WBCs, HCT, MCV, Neutrophils, Monocytes, Lymphocytes and anything else if it is abnormal.

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T nice picccc :p

..what do you mean when you say he wont grow much whilst the liver is healing??
does this affect growth?
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..what do you mean when you say he wont grow much whilst the liver is healing??
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No scientific papers, and just going on a gut instinct and logic, but if your body is healing, it won't be growing. Obviously there are exceptions, there are always exceptions.

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..what do you mean when you say he wont grow much whilst the liver is healing??
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IGF-1 is manufactured in the liver

So is cholesterol:
Cholesterol is very necessary stuff. It's converted into Vitamin D by sunlight, and it's the precursor for steroid hormones like the testosterone you need to grow, and the estrogen women need to be feminine.

The liver manufactures something like 1,000 mg of cholesterol per day, even if you consume no cholesterol at all. Of that amount, about 800 mg becomes bile salts, which is necessary for the digestion of fats.[Guyton, 885] That leaves about 200 available for other functions.

Testosterone is also produced in the liver and adrenals in women.

Vince Gironda felt that liver tablets are anabolic and have unspecified growth hormones in them, they also are a natural aromatase inhibitor.
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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riiight that does make sense.. and with all the liver toxification and unhealthy levels it wont be able to produce optimum amounts of test, cholestoral, IGF-1 .. which ofcourse does affect our growth. So by repairing our liver via liver support we are promoting growth which in a sense does make liver tablets anabolic without side effects and only to the extent of our natural genetics unlike AAS.
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good stuff :p..
was just looking back over my threads and posts.. i look back now and i've asked sum very basic questions over the past which i look at now and laff.. learnt a lot from u guys and in such little time.. need more ginko and omega3.. my brain is becoming a sponge (so much new info that i have no space for spellings and grammer anymore) lol
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The liver is the largest organ of the body.
* The liver affects nearly every physiological process of the body and performs over 500 different chemical functions.

* The liver filters over a liter of blood each minute.

* You probably don't think a lot about it, yet you can't live without it.

* You can't feel it working, yet it plays a central role in nearly all body functions.

* It's your body's "protector," and damage to it can result in serious, potentially life-threatening consequences.

* It's your liver, and even though your overall good health and vitality largely depends on it being healthy, you may not be doing all you can to help protect it.

It also helps with hormonal balance, fat regulation and digestion.


Signs that your liver may not be functioning properly include:

Intolerance to greasy and spicy foods
Weight gain
Frequent headaches
Indigestion
Chronic constipation
Skin conditions, such as eczema, psoriasis or skin rashes
Bowel problems
Sinus and allergy problems

Cirrhosis is the eighth leading cause of death by disease in the US, killing about 25,000 people each year.

Just a few facts about the liver I copied and pasted.
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yea agreed i am sure as a Doc she would have no problem drinking your self to a new liver but take a single D/bol tablet and you are Satan....it is a shame Dr's don't show the same disgust towards Drinkers and smokers as they do to those who use Steroids especially seeing as now one as ever died from steroid use but people die every minute of every day from Smoking and drinking related diseases....
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I have started taking 3 milk thistle tabs a day i am already drinking 4 litres a day, I did have some heavy drink sessions previoulsy, and started vit c for detoxing liver, i will go back in 6 weeks to get bloods done again, as i been on gear 4 weeks and test is just kicking in, and all gear has been stopped i will be off for aat least 6 mths.
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Re: liver test results

Heavy drinking is messing you up mate.
no need for 3 liters or 4 a day, such a myth ... but for sure id replace it for the alcohol , at least 2 liters per day is what you want. id say lay off the alcohol when on a cycle, although it may be hard for some ppl... and lay off that d bol ASAP!
orals are delicated to use specially if you consume other stuff such as drugs alcohol , etc. everybody that has used drugs or alcohol knows that gear makes you just want more... defo not a good mix.

i think everybody here has done a great job on giving you tips on this issue.
so read the threads over and over mate. try to do a little more research next time.

i hope you get well soon man.

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