Gyno signs after 1st week of Test E cycle ???? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

cyclops_45 · 15-07-2006, 10:53 PM

Is it possible or am I just imagining it?

FYI the nipple is itching/skin sore and the gland under it feels like a small
firm "disc" of tissue.

Ive only done two shots of Cidoteston (test enanthate x2 250mg)
in the past 6 days along with 500mg boldenone. I've got half a bottle
of L-dex in the bathroom cupboard but hadn't planned to start using
this until around week 2-3.

The cycle is going to be 10 weeks on test E and the EQ, then 3 weeks
of prop before PCT. I didnt really want to use the arimidex for the whole
duration. Will 0.5mg tonight and then 0.5mg eod be enough to get what
could be gyno signs under control ???

(PS anybody got any ideas what the shelf life of Liquid arimidex is?
The bottle I've got is left over from Xmas)

LondonGeezer · 15-07-2006, 11:04 PM

firstly.. DAMN ur avatar.. its doin my eyes in im tryna focus on the image LOLLLL...

errm yeh sounds like gyno symptoms to me mate, anything is possible..

sori im not sure on the dosages for arimidex but if u have any nolva den 60mg first day followed by 40mg ED untill it clears up followed by 20mg 2-3days after its gone to be sure.. same with clomid only dosages will be (100mg first day, 50mg untill cleared up followed by 25-30mg 2-3days after its cleared to be sure).
i would assume the same sort of thing for arimidex but i dont know the dosages sori .

goodluck

**Pscarb** · 16-07-2006, 12:03 AM

never heard of this happening this fast as neither will be really in your system for 10-14 days....maybe you are imagining it i would leave it a little longer if it persist's then use then L-Dex

craigybabes · 16-07-2006, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

never heard of this happening this fast as neither will be really in your system for 10-14 days....maybe you are imagining it i would leave it a little longer if it persist's then use then L-Dex

i agree but the gear he could be using could be propionate disgised as test-e its a long shot but it can happen

LondonGeezer · 16-07-2006, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyclops_45

Is it possible or am I just imagining it?

FYI the nipple is itching/skin sore and the gland under it feels like a small
firm "disc" of tissue.

Ive only done two shots of Cidoteston (test enanthate x2 250mg)
in the past 6 days along with 500mg boldenone.

I'd say treat it as if it is Gyno symptoms, better to be safe then sorri...

When i first started Dbol i did think after 3days i had symptoms.. i left it for that day and it went away.. was just sensitive nipples but only for that 1 day..

itchy/sore skin,.. zap it with ur Arimidex.. but im not sure on dosage :confused:

Androjector · 16-07-2006, 12:26 AM

It is possible. Some individuals are very sensitive to the effects of Oestrogen. Testosterone enanthate is very adrogenic and readily converts to oestrogen once in the system. As PScarb has already pointed out, the rapid onset of this symptoms seems unlikely with the test ester used, unless of course you've got a fake version containing Propionate etc.
Boldenone can also manifest symptoms of oestrogen related problems if taken in excess. So both these substances could be contributing to your issue if you're sensitive to Oestrogen.
Try including 20mg of Nolvadex during the cycle and if this problem still persists, maybe the use of something more specific like Arimidex or Proviron could be implimented.

**Pscarb** · 16-07-2006, 12:27 AM

yes but with D/bol this can happen because the half life of D/bol is a matter of hours where Test E is Weeks...

LondonGeezer · 16-07-2006, 12:32 AM

alright mate done a quick search for u and found this thread had good info http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/aas-pictu...imidex+dosages

basically if u come across symptoms, zap it with 1mg arimidex on the first day then stick to 0.5mg untill it clears up followed by 0.25mg ED for 2-3days to be on safe side and continue cycle.. effectively you could use it at 0.25mg EOD or E3D to stay safe if you are gyno sensitive.

as Pscarb has mentioned tho it does take weeks and i personally think its imagination running wild which is wat it was with me aswell.. thinkin about it mine are feelin a bit weird now aswell but im off cycle :p lol

gudluck

cyclops_45 · 16-07-2006, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pscarb

never heard of this happening this fast as neither will be really in your system for 10-14 days....

exactly what I was thinking!!!! thanks for input

mattster · 17-07-2006, 03:11 PM

just to chip in, my first cycle was 500mg test enanth per week - i started to notice what i though was gyno symptoms (tingling in nipple/pec area, sore nips if brushed over or caught when dumbell pressing) around the mid point of week 2 - but due to the ester i thought i was imagining it - eventually started nolva 1.5 weeks later when it was just getting worse and worse - the lump behind my nipple did shrink a little but after pct remained the size of a 50p - seems im very senstive to oestrogen - ended up having it chopped out - so better to be safe than sorry.

BIG-UNC · 17-07-2006, 05:27 PM

your body obviousely cant handle all the test its getting so its changing it to estrogen thus causing gyno, have you bloated up at all?

craigy might be right about the prop senario mate so it might be better to take the AI (arimidex) .5ml eod if it still persists up it to ed!

if it still not sorted then get intouch with the sun and ask for the page 3 dept!

only kidding mate good luck and keep us posted ok!!

**hackskii** · 17-07-2006, 07:30 PM

Estrogen management should always be a consideration in any cycle.

Adex will work nicely and I think adex is a great product. I prefere an aromatase inhibitor over a SERM any day during the cycle.
Use the SERM after for recovery, but use the AI during.

Half life of adex is around 3-4 days so taking EOD is cool.

Estrogen management is a good idea as estrogen is approx 200 times as supressive as testosterone.

Androjector · 17-07-2006, 08:00 PM

I’m not aware of your history with steroids. However, there is a possibility you may be suffering the effects of Oestrogen rebound from a previous cycle.
The use of Nolvadex during androgen therapy will block Oestrogen binding to the relevant receptor but won’t actually inhibit production. The mistake many individuals make is not continuing anti Oestrogen medication after terminating their cycles. This can often result in Oestrogen rebound, especially if HCG is being used to reinstate natural testosterone production.

Androjector · 17-07-2006, 08:21 PM

Managing Oestrogen is important for specific circumstances such as competition, sensitive individuals or the habitual use of excessive androgens. It’s important to rationally differentiate your situation from generalistic perspective. Oestrogen is an important catalyst in achieving optimum gains when sensible dosages of testosterone are being implemented into a training program. This is one of the contributory reasons certain synthetic testosterones are more powerful than Anabolic’s in promoting size & strength.

**hackskii** · 17-07-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Androjector

Managing Oestrogen is important for specific circumstances such as competition, sensitive individuals or the habitual use of excessive androgens. It’s important to rationally differentiate your situation from generalistic perspective. Oestrogen is an important catalyst in achieving optimum gains when sensible dosages of testosterone are being implemented into a training program. This is one of the contributory reasons certain synthetic testosterones are more powerful than Anabolic’s in promoting size & strength.

Having estrogen too high or too low is not good. Some estrogen is needed for bone and other things and is necessary but high amounts of estrogen can aid in the shutdown of the HPTA, cause water retention (relating to high blood pressure), belly fat gain.
Sure some estrogen is ok but estrogen management in my opinion should be used in every cycle.
TRT patients are frequently put on a AI during their testosterone replacement therapy.
For the sake of shutdown all by itself would be cause for me to use an AI during the cycle.

15-07-2006, 10:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
cyclops_45 Apprentice Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 95	Gyno signs after 1st week of Test E cycle ???? Is it possible or am I just imagining it? FYI the nipple is itching/skin sore and the gland under it feels like a small firm "disc" of tissue. Ive only done two shots of Cidoteston (test enanthate x2 250mg) in the past 6 days along with 500mg boldenone. I've got half a bottle of L-dex in the bathroom cupboard but hadn't planned to start using this until around week 2-3. The cycle is going to be 10 weeks on test E and the EQ, then 3 weeks of prop before PCT. I didnt really want to use the arimidex for the whole duration. Will 0.5mg tonight and then 0.5mg eod be enough to get what could be gyno signs under control ??? (PS anybody got any ideas what the shelf life of Liquid arimidex is? The bottle I've got is left over from Xmas)

16-07-2006, 12:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16,575	never heard of this happening this fast as neither will be really in your system for 10-14 days....maybe you are imagining it i would leave it a little longer if it persist's then use then L-Dex __________________ Do not PM or Mail me asking for a source as a BAN may offend

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Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16,575	yes but with D/bol this can happen because the half life of D/bol is a matter of hours where Test E is Weeks... __________________ Do not PM or Mail me asking for a source as a BAN may offend

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,093	Estrogen management should always be a consideration in any cycle. Adex will work nicely and I think adex is a great product. I prefere an aromatase inhibitor over a SERM any day during the cycle. Use the SERM after for recovery, but use the AI during. Half life of adex is around 3-4 days so taking EOD is cool. Estrogen management is a good idea as estrogen is approx 200 times as supressive as testosterone. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

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15-07-2006, 11:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
LondonGeezer Looking Freaky Join Date: May 2006 Location: South-East London Posts: 903	firstly.. DAMN ur avatar.. its doin my eyes in im tryna focus on the image LOLLLL... errm yeh sounds like gyno symptoms to me mate, anything is possible.. sori im not sure on the dosages for arimidex but if u have any nolva den 60mg first day followed by 40mg ED untill it clears up followed by 20mg 2-3days after its gone to be sure.. same with clomid only dosages will be (100mg first day, 50mg untill cleared up followed by 25-30mg 2-3days after its cleared to be sure). i would assume the same sort of thing for arimidex but i dont know the dosages sori . goodluck

16-07-2006, 12:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
Androjector Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13	It is possible. Some individuals are very sensitive to the effects of Oestrogen. Testosterone enanthate is very adrogenic and readily converts to oestrogen once in the system. As PScarb has already pointed out, the rapid onset of this symptoms seems unlikely with the test ester used, unless of course you've got a fake version containing Propionate etc. Boldenone can also manifest symptoms of oestrogen related problems if taken in excess. So both these substances could be contributing to your issue if you're sensitive to Oestrogen. Try including 20mg of Nolvadex during the cycle and if this problem still persists, maybe the use of something more specific like Arimidex or Proviron could be implimented.

16-07-2006, 12:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
LondonGeezer Looking Freaky Join Date: May 2006 Location: South-East London Posts: 903	alright mate done a quick search for u and found this thread had good info http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/aas-pictu...imidex+dosages basically if u come across symptoms, zap it with 1mg arimidex on the first day then stick to 0.5mg untill it clears up followed by 0.25mg ED for 2-3days to be on safe side and continue cycle.. effectively you could use it at 0.25mg EOD or E3D to stay safe if you are gyno sensitive. as Pscarb has mentioned tho it does take weeks and i personally think its imagination running wild which is wat it was with me aswell.. thinkin about it mine are feelin a bit weird now aswell but im off cycle :p lol gudluck

17-07-2006, 03:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
mattster Newbie Trainer Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 18	just to chip in, my first cycle was 500mg test enanth per week - i started to notice what i though was gyno symptoms (tingling in nipple/pec area, sore nips if brushed over or caught when dumbell pressing) around the mid point of week 2 - but due to the ester i thought i was imagining it - eventually started nolva 1.5 weeks later when it was just getting worse and worse - the lump behind my nipple did shrink a little but after pct remained the size of a 50p - seems im very senstive to oestrogen - ended up having it chopped out - so better to be safe than sorry.

17-07-2006, 05:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 2,129	your body obviousely cant handle all the test its getting so its changing it to estrogen thus causing gyno, have you bloated up at all? craigy might be right about the prop senario mate so it might be better to take the AI (arimidex) .5ml eod if it still persists up it to ed! if it still not sorted then get intouch with the sun and ask for the page 3 dept! only kidding mate good luck and keep us posted ok!!

17-07-2006, 08:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
Androjector Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13	I’m not aware of your history with steroids. However, there is a possibility you may be suffering the effects of Oestrogen rebound from a previous cycle. The use of Nolvadex during androgen therapy will block Oestrogen binding to the relevant receptor but won’t actually inhibit production. The mistake many individuals make is not continuing anti Oestrogen medication after terminating their cycles. This can often result in Oestrogen rebound, especially if HCG is being used to reinstate natural testosterone production.

17-07-2006, 08:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
Androjector Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13	Managing Oestrogen is important for specific circumstances such as competition, sensitive individuals or the habitual use of excessive androgens. It’s important to rationally differentiate your situation from generalistic perspective. Oestrogen is an important catalyst in achieving optimum gains when sensible dosages of testosterone are being implemented into a training program. This is one of the contributory reasons certain synthetic testosterones are more powerful than Anabolic’s in promoting size & strength.