LondonGeezer

As you all know my dbol was a pile of crap.. but i've got 150 x 10mg now so im ok.
Nolvadex is real and ive got my liv.52 so im set to go

starting tomorow (25th june 2006) im doing the following 6week cycle:

week 1: 30mg dbol
week 2: 30mg dbol
week 3: 30mg dbol
week 4: 30mg dbol
week 5: 30mg dbol
week 6: 30mg dbol

PCT:
week 1: 40mg nolvadex + 4x4 liv.52 daily
week 2: 20mg nolvadex + 4x4 liv.52 daily
week 3: 20mg nolvadex + 4x4 liv.52 daily
week 4: 20mg nolvadex + 4x4 liv.52 daily
week 5: 20mg nolvadex + 3x2 liv.52 daily
week 6: 20mg nolvadex + 3x2 liv.52 daily

throughout the whole 12weeks i'll be eating like a horse and training like never before, my aim is to fit 6-7 fair sized meals in daily and two shakes to rake in around 200+g protein daily.

ive done superdrol alone, superdrol stacks.. 17mhn stacks and other prohormones, also done a 14day on 14day off cycle of dbol and kept nice gains but i want to try and make the most out of a single dbol cycle, keep as much of the gains as possible and hopefully reach a fair size to not do another cycle again. should i go to 40mg daily from week 3-6?

dont want to be superman just a good 35lbs bigger at the very least (in muscle) at 10-12% bf.
if anyone has any suggestions on how to fine tune this cycle to help achieve the results i want im open to suggestions.
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LondonGeezer

sori its written rong, its a 12week cycle.. the PCT is from week 7-12.

Superman

That cycle looks Ok, though as u said, in weeks 3-60 you might be better off upping the dosages a little. I am currently on an Inj, Oral cycle (the oral being Dbol). I have only started using the Dbol really but already can tell a difference.

Gd luck with the cycle anyways. Eat well and train hard Bud.

LondonGeezer

cheers mate.. my original plan was the same cycle but weeks 3-6 at 40mg dbol daily just wanted more opinions on this and advice.. chances of me being shut down completely? will that pct be ok?

Aftershock

Well i think 35lbs on new muscle is a little optimistic, if you think you are going to get that off this one cycle then you are very much mistaken IMO.

Nice as a long term goal tho

You ant to be aiming for 350-400g of protein a day mate to pack on some good size. 200g just isnt gona cut it.

Other than that the cycle looks good... Just remember Rome wasnt built in a day.. :boohoo:

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LondonGeezer

ahh man.. what do you think aftershock.. how much muscle can be gained from such a cycle if i was to take in 250-300g protein daily? even if i went to 40mg from week 3-6.

Aftershock

Its not about increasing the dose mate, 30mg is more than enough for a firstimer. Its more about your diet and training. I would say with good diet and training you can hope to keep about 10lbs from that cycle. You may put on much more during the cycle but it will be water weight. I would say you will be serverely limiting your gains on 250-300g of protein. Aim for 400 a day and try and get the majority of that from whole foods, eggs, fish, meat etc

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10lbs kept is a good gain imo!

as aftershock said rome wasnt built in a day!

don think u really need nolva for 6 weeks personally

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Ironman

Sorry to burst your bubble mate - but you wont gain 35lb on a 6 week 30mg dbol course - infact you wouldnt be able to gain 35lbs of muscle on any realistic course - sence alone should tell you that - theyre not magic pills!

You should bring your goal down a wee bit.

Great White

You can expect to gain around 10lb tops in a 6 weeks cycle mate, and that is tops.

Any more than that, and its just blubber anyway, do you really want to be piling on fat?

You will probably lost 2 - 4lb of that 10lb post cycle to mate, leaving around a comfortable 6lb gain, 1lb a week.

You should also be running your Liv.52 with your Dianabol, not after it.

Well, infact with it and after it.

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Aftershock

I would say a pound a week is a realistic goal while on cycle. However I think with virgin receptors you may be able to gain a little more on you initial cycle.

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LondonGeezer

hmm interesting stuff.. yeh 35lbs in the 6months was a bit unrealistic.. i was expecting about 15lbs of that to be water weight and fat and i thought about 20lb would be the muscle gain.

so wen im "off" cycle i'll need to keep up 350-400g protein or however much i was keeping up during "on cycle" to keep the gains? or can i ease down a bit on the eating?

marso

Looks good but I would maybe add some NPP or Test Prop as these are good for short cycles. Don't get carried away with your weight gains as 10lbs of quality gains will make a HUGE difference to how you look.

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LondonGeezer

marso: i would mate but i hate needles and there is no chance id inject myself altho an injection in the **** i wouldn't be too bothered about lol.
its my first cycle so i think il keep it simple and stick to dbol.
the gains will only mantain for the time that i maintain eating 350-400g protein daily.. right? i mean if after i come off cycle i drop back to 180g protein daily which i do with ease 180-200g.. would i lose alot more of the gains?
i guess maybe everyone's body is different to react to steroids and if the body wanted to maintain that weight it would otherwise it would speed up metabolism to rid of it.

marso

I hear ya mate, many people are put off my injecting,let's face it, it's not the most pleasurable of experiences!! However many people find it easier to inject into the delt as the needle is a lot smaller so it doesn't look as scary as a big **** off green.

I'm not trying to encourage you to take more gear etc, as I appreciate it's your first course, but the NPP or Test Prop would work really well with DBol plus they're a lot less stressful on your liver, which is something worth thinking about. You seem to have all bases covered though mate so you should be fine.

It's your body though and ultimately your choice. Sadly like all things with bodybuilding what works for one doesn't always work for another, so trial and error is the name of the game. My best advice would be keep a journal while you're on your course, note down everything, what's working and what isn't make some subtle changes and note the effects, this will give you a good bench mark to work from.
Best of luck mate.

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