dan2004

Wow this is a great thread all the same. Has anyone FULLY tried and tested this version of recovery?

How does this look scott


Weeks 1-12 Once Per Week @
Testosterone Heptylate 300mg
Nandralone Deconate 200mg

Weeks 1-12 E3D
Arimidex 1Mg

Then your PCT recovery 17days after last jab. Also Why 17 days instead of just 2 weeks? What does the extra 3 days compensate for?

hackskii

Well, you would not be clear in 14 days, and probably still in there after 21 days, but beings that you are using the HCG for 15 days, that and the 17 days, things should be out completly by day 32 once you drop the HCG and continue with the clomid and nolva.

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chrismac

So.... to put it more clearly?:-

1st HCG shot to be done 17 days after the last jab of say Test Enan.
8 shots of HCG @ 2500iu EOD [lasting 15 days]
with the above take 20 mg of nolvadex ED and Clomid @ 100mg ED split to 50mg taking 12 hours apart for 45 days.

Is that right?

miller25

PCT is becoming over complicated now, in fact steroid use is to many theories flying around. I'm sticking to what I know and what works for me.

taslajrisi

hackskii
thanks again for the info
I want to send you a PM but i cannot see the send PM button on your posts for some reason. Perhaps the PM function is not active for me yet? Can you help with getting me PM access? I got the welcome PM from Admin but cannot reply or anything. I would like to PM you some info on my situation if possible.

hackskii

Yes, 30 days clomid and 45 days nolva.
But, this would change some if you use HCG during, or the cycle was not a supressive one.
This aggressive PCT protocol is for those that are shut down.

It is not complicated at all.

HCG for the testicular axis.
Clomid and nolva for the pituitary/hypothalamus axis.
Both need to be addressed or recovery will be compromised.

I am not sure why you cant PM
you can contact me at hackskii@yahoo.com

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chilisi

hi hackskii

very intersting thread...but im still not 100% sure on when to start the pct as ive always been lead to believe its 2 weeks after your last injection (long ester) but ive just been told you "should" wait 3 weeks by another poster..

so i checked a few websites and some say 3 weeks and some say 2?

ive always used 2 myself so can you shed some light on this please..

thanks

si.

ba baracuss

As I said in the other thread mate it depends how long the long ester is AFAIK - sustanon and deca have the decanoate ester which is longer than enanthate, but enanthate is still a 'long ester'.

Hopefully Hacks can confirm either way.

chilisi

yes i think your right..ive been reading up on this since you posted it first of all and i totally over looked the deconoate esters.. and put them all in the same groupd as a "long ester"

hackskii

lol, hammered dudes...................Been drinking, and having a bit of some smoke...........But just enjoying myself burping,.................lol


I will say this.
If, you start too early, you will compromise recovery................
Starting too late?...................And?..................No compromise at all, as we are talking about days, not weeks................

Why should the recovery be compromised?
Recovery is simple, but one of the determining factors is self...........

Sorry, totally distracted here...............................Partying....... .....lol.................
Not taking a serious matter lightly, just having a good time.
For what it is worth, I dont mind sharing anythying I know............After all, I didnt pay for any of that..............For what it is worth..............

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BRABUS

Forgive me if ive misread a post or two here, but im sure one or two state you start the pct, or atleast the hcg the day after your last jab and run that for 15days and then start the clomid and nolvadex regime.

Another states ( im sure ) to start the whole lot together 17days after the last test shot, and again i think a post suggests starting the whoe lot the day after too and run the 45day protocol.

I think this could do with being cleared up.....maybe for my benefit if ive got up to early and misread the posts,,,,,doh...

Sylar

Not hard to tell when you been on the beer and wacky baccy mate, the full stops come out to play with vengeance! lol............................................... ...............................

Robbyg

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Originally Posted by Robbyg View Post
So if you were using 500ius twice aweek through out the cycle would this still be ok and aid recovery still ? thanks Scott
You would not need anywhere near the amounts if you use it during than not.
You can continue using HCG along with an AI during the clearance time of your gear, then yes, you can continue low dose in the beginning of PCT. I did this last time and that recovery went by far the best.
I was shooting 500iu during the cycle twice a week, but I still noticed some testicular atrophy at the end of the cycle.
So, I kept doing the 500iu, then did 1,000iu EOD for like 4 shots, then kept the clomid and nolva as above.
That recovery went super easy, best one yet.
Thanks Scott just wanted to check that it was still ok to use whilst on cycle but to look for any testicular atrophy at the end of the cycle

soze

hacksii does ur above protocol apply to someone who is only running an 8 weeks cycle of sust @ 1ml a week, surely shutdown here wouldnt warrant such high doses of hcg??

LukeVTS

wow. my eyes have been glued to my monitor! GREAT read hackskii. is this protocall just for someone with complete shut down? Do you have an example PCT (inc clomid and tamoxifen) for someone who has used HCG throughout the cycle? im guessing the 2500 would be way too much as testicular atrophy would probably be minimal anyway. Also, is this saying that after the 45 days, you would be able to go straight back on cycle?