clenbuterol with ephidrine (eca stack) - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

andye · 23-02-2006, 08:37 PM

im on the eca stack at the min, 30mgs effy, 200mgs of caffiene 300mgs of aspirin 2 or 3 times a day.

my mates just dropped some clenbuterol off for me but ive never took it before. can i take this with the ephidrine? and at what doesage???

clenbuterol in the brand name clenburex 20mcg

**Tinytom** · 23-02-2006, 08:42 PM

I wouldn't take Clen with effy as they are both beta 2 stimulators.

Beta receptors control metabolism and can increase your heart rate so taking clen and effy at the same time is like a heart attack.

If you want a synergistic result use yohimbe with effy or clen as yohimbe is an alpha antagonist so it will prevent the storage of new fat whilst enhancing the effect of the effy or clen.

I normally cycle clen on effy opposite each other 2 weeks on each then a 2 week break as the beta receptors will downgrade after constant stimulation. In essence you will burn out your fat burning.

John · 23-02-2006, 09:35 PM

The Sale of Yohimbe here, or do we have to get it from the States?

**hackskii** · 23-02-2006, 09:44 PM

Man, I can get Yohimbe raw and in huge bags, all you have to do is cap it yourself.
Gotta be carefull as I capped some myself in 00 caps and I was jacked hard for days.
It is a pretty stong stimulant and a good fat burner.
Makes Eph work better too.

Really good post TT

andye · 24-02-2006, 09:16 AM

hmmm, interesting.

just been on a website and it recommends taking it with ephidrine.

wouldnt mind some yohimbe if anyone can get me some

andye · 24-02-2006, 09:17 AM

copied from the above site...

Clenbuterol and weightloss

Clenbuterol is a slightly thermogenic compound. This means that it slightly raises the body temperature of the person taking it. When the body's temperature rises it burns fat more productively. Clenbuterol is especially effective and is the substance of choice for many bodybuilders and people in general who are looking to loose weight fast. At a dosage of around 5-7 tablets or 100-140 mcg per day for men, and for women 80-100 mcg per day, over a period of 8-10 weeks, Clenbuterol will effectively burn fat with minimal side effects (all of which are temporary). Many people have reported extreme weight-loss from Clenbuterol, especially when combined with another fat-burning product like Triac or Ephedrine.

**Tinytom** · 24-02-2006, 10:26 AM

'Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process.'

Actually clen increases beta 2 activity which then raises the metabolic rate which causes more calories to be burned which increases body temp. since beta 2 receptors also regulate bodyfat metabolism to some extent this may cause an increase in bodyfat for fuel.

' The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks.'

Wrong - best use of clen is over a maximum 4 week period because as I said earlier beta 2 receptors will blunt causing a plateau in bodyfat reduction.

Funny this site does not go into too much scientific detail about clen or the possible side effects including heart palpitations, restlessness, insomnia or enlarging of cardiac muscle.

Oh sorry just seen this

'Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea.'

but then this is on the next page

'Clenbuterol will effectively burn fat with minimal side effects'

How confusing, also doesn't warn against people with cardiac abnormalities taking it. I wonder why?

Also funny that in the contacts section it has a disclaimer saying 'don't contact us for supplying clen' but on the front page there are loads of links to gear suppliers and scammers I wonder why this is?

Let me save you the time

This page is a front for a scammer/gear dealer

Not being funny mate but don't trust everything you read on the net, especially since this guy won't even put his face on the page or say who he is.

Wolf · 24-02-2006, 12:01 PM

I'm running helios with eph now, apart from shakes and slight increase in heart rate it doesn't seem too bad, also taking ketotifen with it to stop down regulation of beta receptors.

**Tinytom** · 24-02-2006, 12:37 PM

Fair enough, that's a decent way of maximising the results. What steps are you taking for when you come off all the beta stimulants?

Wolf · 24-02-2006, 03:33 PM

Was planning on easing the doses off, eph is being cycled 2 weeks, on 2 off, Helios am running straight through until it runs out or i'm happy with results. What would you suggest when coming off?

**hackskii** · 24-02-2006, 03:59 PM

Man, I got the shakes form chen so bad I had to drink beer to calm down.

It is like 34-36 hours too.
Sucks those shakes are the worst. I will stay fat if that is what it took to get lean.

Diet controls fat loss more than anything.

**Aftershock** · 24-02-2006, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinytom

If you want a synergistic result use yohimbe with effy or clen as yohimbe is an alpha antagonist so it will prevent the storage of new fat whilst enhancing the effect of the effy or clen.

How much yohimbe would you normally take ed with with the eph Tom. Do you split the dose?

**Tinytom** · 24-02-2006, 08:37 PM

I use a yohimbe supplement called Stacker 3. The yohimbe is 195mg per capsule and I usually take 1 with breakfast, lunch and before training. So about 600mg a day but I doubt that's all yohimbe as it has a few other things in as well.

This is what I would use when coming off Clen and effy together Wolf as the alpha antagonist properties of the yohimbe would reduce the amount of rebound fat you could gain. I would also use a lot of Garlic and maybe a bit of White Willow Bark (natural aspirin) to further reduce fat storage capability.

Also as Hackskii said diet is everything so I would also go on a keto type diet for a week or so. This would prevent the body storing fat and instead get it burning fat for energy.

Once you've been off all the beta agonists for 2 weeks you can start returning to a normal diet with higher carbs.

That's the way I'd do it anyway.

Oh I'm not plugging Stacker 3 it's just the one I use. Other yohimbe supplements are available

rosie_theman · 25-02-2006, 07:09 AM

Ya might wanna try T3 or T4 if you really want a kick, won't mess with your Beta-2 receptors either so you are golden there, although you would have to pyramid the dosage, wouldnt want to permanently damage the old thyroid.

23-02-2006, 08:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
andye 15 stone 10lb Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: hartlepool, north east england Posts: 673	clenbuterol with ephidrine (eca stack) im on the eca stack at the min, 30mgs effy, 200mgs of caffiene 300mgs of aspirin 2 or 3 times a day. my mates just dropped some clenbuterol off for me but ive never took it before. can i take this with the ephidrine? and at what doesage??? clenbuterol in the brand name clenburex 20mcg

23-02-2006, 08:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,031	I wouldn't take Clen with effy as they are both beta 2 stimulators. Beta receptors control metabolism and can increase your heart rate so taking clen and effy at the same time is like a heart attack. If you want a synergistic result use yohimbe with effy or clen as yohimbe is an alpha antagonist so it will prevent the storage of new fat whilst enhancing the effect of the effy or clen. I normally cycle clen on effy opposite each other 2 weeks on each then a 2 week break as the beta receptors will downgrade after constant stimulation. In essence you will burn out your fat burning. __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

23-02-2006, 09:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
John EFBB Winner Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,244	Is there a UK source for The Sale of Yohimbe here, or do we have to get it from the States?

24-02-2006, 09:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
andye 15 stone 10lb Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: hartlepool, north east england Posts: 673	hmmm, interesting. just been on a website and it recommends taking it with ephidrine. wouldnt mind some yohimbe if anyone can get me some Last edited by Pscarb; 24-02-2006 at 12:45 PM.

24-02-2006, 10:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,031	'Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process.' Actually clen increases beta 2 activity which then raises the metabolic rate which causes more calories to be burned which increases body temp. since beta 2 receptors also regulate bodyfat metabolism to some extent this may cause an increase in bodyfat for fuel. ' The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks.' Wrong - best use of clen is over a maximum 4 week period because as I said earlier beta 2 receptors will blunt causing a plateau in bodyfat reduction. Funny this site does not go into too much scientific detail about clen or the possible side effects including heart palpitations, restlessness, insomnia or enlarging of cardiac muscle. Oh sorry just seen this 'Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pres-sure, and nausea.' but then this is on the next page 'Clenbuterol will effectively burn fat with minimal side effects' How confusing, also doesn't warn against people with cardiac abnormalities taking it. I wonder why? Also funny that in the contacts section it has a disclaimer saying 'don't contact us for supplying clen' but on the front page there are loads of links to gear suppliers and scammers I wonder why this is? Let me save you the time This page is a front for a scammer/gear dealer Not being funny mate but don't trust everything you read on the net, especially since this guy won't even put his face on the page or say who he is. __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

23-02-2006, 09:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Man, I can get Yohimbe raw and in huge bags, all you have to do is cap it yourself. Gotta be carefull as I capped some myself in 00 caps and I was jacked hard for days. It is a pretty stong stimulant and a good fat burner. Makes Eph work better too. Really good post TT

24-02-2006, 09:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
andye 15 stone 10lb Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: hartlepool, north east england Posts: 673	copied from the above site... Clenbuterol and weightloss Clenbuterol is a slightly thermogenic compound. This means that it slightly raises the body temperature of the person taking it. When the body's temperature rises it burns fat more productively. Clenbuterol is especially effective and is the substance of choice for many bodybuilders and people in general who are looking to loose weight fast. At a dosage of around 5-7 tablets or 100-140 mcg per day for men, and for women 80-100 mcg per day, over a period of 8-10 weeks, Clenbuterol will effectively burn fat with minimal side effects (all of which are temporary). Many people have reported extreme weight-loss from Clenbuterol, especially when combined with another fat-burning product like Triac or Ephedrine.

24-02-2006, 12:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wolf Angry,angry young man Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 128	I'm running helios with eph now, apart from shakes and slight increase in heart rate it doesn't seem too bad, also taking ketotifen with it to stop down regulation of beta receptors.

24-02-2006, 12:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,031	Fair enough, that's a decent way of maximising the results. What steps are you taking for when you come off all the beta stimulants? __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

24-02-2006, 03:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Wolf Angry,angry young man Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 128	Was planning on easing the doses off, eph is being cycled 2 weeks, on 2 off, Helios am running straight through until it runs out or i'm happy with results. What would you suggest when coming off?

24-02-2006, 03:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Man, I got the shakes form chen so bad I had to drink beer to calm down. It is like 34-36 hours too. Sucks those shakes are the worst. I will stay fat if that is what it took to get lean. Diet controls fat loss more than anything.

24-02-2006, 08:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,031	I use a yohimbe supplement called Stacker 3. The yohimbe is 195mg per capsule and I usually take 1 with breakfast, lunch and before training. So about 600mg a day but I doubt that's all yohimbe as it has a few other things in as well. This is what I would use when coming off Clen and effy together Wolf as the alpha antagonist properties of the yohimbe would reduce the amount of rebound fat you could gain. I would also use a lot of Garlic and maybe a bit of White Willow Bark (natural aspirin) to further reduce fat storage capability. Also as Hackskii said diet is everything so I would also go on a keto type diet for a week or so. This would prevent the body storing fat and instead get it burning fat for energy. Once you've been off all the beta agonists for 2 weeks you can start returning to a normal diet with higher carbs. That's the way I'd do it anyway. Oh I'm not plugging Stacker 3 it's just the one I use. Other yohimbe supplements are available __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

25-02-2006, 07:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
rosie_theman Sprinter Extraordinaire Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 156	Ya might wanna try T3 or T4 if you really want a kick, won't mess with your Beta-2 receptors either so you are golden there, although you would have to pyramid the dosage, wouldnt want to permanently damage the old thyroid.

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