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throwitup308 · 26-01-2006, 11:01 PM

Here's what I want/need:

I've heard nothing about bad news about M1T on this forum, although I hear plenty of good things on other places on the internet. That Gyno or whatever it is called is a scare to me, I definately don't want to be dealing with this.

So this is it..

I either need someone to help me make a cycle with M1T and whatever else to help with side effects.

Or I need an oral pro-hormone that is recommended, and recommendations on what to stack.

Thanks in advance fellas.

**hackskii** · 26-01-2006, 11:22 PM

Why are you so interested in prohormones?

Dont you think a little d-bol cycle would not only be cheaper but more productive?

throwitup308 · 26-01-2006, 11:25 PM

I'm not necessarily interested in pro-hormones. I know this is hardly true, but in my mind I have the picture that pro-hormones will be safer than juice. I just want a little push in my bodybuilding to give me some good gains to put a smile in my face. I only plan on doing 2 or 3 cycles, but don't want to go into it hardcore because I have no previous experience.

I've heard good things about m1t and have it readily available for purchase, but I do not know where to get Nolva or other (pct's? what does that stand for anyway).

I've read plenty of threads, but am still somewhat under educated.

What exactly is dbol and what are the experiences with it?

Whatever the stack you guys recommend, remember it has to be oral.

**hackskii** · 27-01-2006, 02:08 AM

Less sides?
M1T?

Well, you can get gyno from M1T too.
All pro-hormones and steroids can give you sides, some worse than others.
You will need nolva even with M1T, even for your PCT.

There is gear that are probably safer than what you are looking at like Anavar.
Little to low to no shutdown, no water retention, no high blood pressure, no aromitization.
Probably the best for ATP and a good strength drug.
Expensive but probably safer than M1T and better results too.

D-bol is cheap, good for strength, bad for water retention, does aromitize, mild shutdown.
But you will for sure pick up some weight with that.
A good diet and you are on your way.
6 weeks 20mg and you will like it.

PCT?
Nolvadex

Creatine if you are going the natural rout

chris31 · 27-01-2006, 09:24 AM

Hi mate can you post up your stats and training experience to give us a better idea where you are coming from. Most guys on here myself included have tried prohormones and most will agree that they dont really work. Everyone has to start somewhere so do as much reading as possible before you decide on your next course of action.....cheers...chris

Harry · 27-01-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris31

Hi mate can you post up your stats and training experience to give us a better idea where you are coming from. Most guys on here myself included have tried prohormones and most will agree that they dont really work. Everyone has to start somewhere so do as much reading as possible before you decide on your next course of action.....cheers...chris

Chris how did you get on with your Superdrol???? any good?

**Robsta** · 27-01-2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

I only plan on doing 2 or 3 cycles,

LOL, that's what I said 3 yrs ago, in fact I bet that's what most people on this site started off thinking

chris31 · 27-01-2006, 01:08 PM

[quote=Harry]Chris how did you get on with your Superdrol???? any good?[/quote
Allright Harry, yep the superdrol provided a nice end to my cycle, would use them again as im not a fan of dbol and im kickstarting with drol at the moment and ive got a face like a balloon which i didnt get off the superdrol.

chris31 · 27-01-2006, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robsta9

LOL, that's what I said 3 yrs ago, in fact I bet that's what most people on this site started off thinking

Yep 10 cycles later and I have no intention of stopping myself.

**hackskii** · 27-01-2006, 04:13 PM

Yah, I said just one cycle

throwitup308 · 27-01-2006, 07:55 PM

Lol..we'll see how it goes I suppose. Thanks to hackskii's kind advice through Pm's.. I will be starting 6 week cycles of 20mg of d-bol as soon as I get my hands on some.

Thanks for the advice.

**hackskii** · 27-01-2006, 08:38 PM

How much do you weigh?

If you are around 200lbs then Id go to 30mg

That is pretty mild for d-bol cycles.
Cheaper than prohormones too.

throwitup308 · 27-01-2006, 09:49 PM

I'm at 162 right now..6'0" tall. I hope to gain a lot though as I continue lifting and then when I find some Dbol. I'm guessing I should stick to 20mg for now?

**hackskii** · 27-01-2006, 10:28 PM

25mg should be fine.
6 weeks max.
If you order your other stuff from that legal online research place, Id buy some arimidex and take that at .5mg every 3 days.
This will keep estrogen in check and estrogen can shut you down.
It does aromatize pretty bad so this is why I suggest buying some of that Arimidex from that company.
It is perfectly legal in the states too so dont worry about that.

Then to do the PCT you just wait 6-8 hours and follow the nolva like I suggested.
The hardest part will be probably finding the D-bol

In the mean time you can take some creatine to see how that feels before you start your cycle.
I like V12 by Sans nutrition myself but it is very expensive tho.
If you want to do the cheap rout, buy some Creatine Monohydrate and put that in some Grape juice, along with some protein powder and take that after your workout.
This is pretty recommended and the norm for most bodybuilders.
At this perticular time you can take in large amounts of protein.
I would take no less than 50 grams of protein with your grape juice and creatine.
This will help with recouperation and feed the muscle too.
Good stuff.

Read somewhere (dont know how true but seems possible) that half of all your protein intake can be taken at this time.
So beings that you are 162, you should be taking in at least 162 grams of protein a day and 81 grams of this can be taken after your workout.
So, that could be right but sounds a tad bit high but who knows?

On that D-bol cycle, you will have to up the protein some due to the postive nitrogen ballance it gives you, so more protein can work better here in this environment.

Sides are increased liver values (toxicity) which return to normal shortly after discontinuation, elivated blood pressure, elivated heart rate, gyno, water retention.
But with the arimidex, this will cut down on the water retention and gyno wont happen

You should be fine but I would not go out drinking every night this will make the liver values worse.

crazycal1 · 27-01-2006, 10:35 PM

running dbol at a low dose is definetley imo more effective than any of the ph`s i`ve tried-and as every says -way cheaper

26-01-2006, 11:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
throwitup308 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 27	Alternatives to M1T Here's what I want/need: I've heard nothing about bad news about M1T on this forum, although I hear plenty of good things on other places on the internet. That Gyno or whatever it is called is a scare to me, I definately don't want to be dealing with this. So this is it.. I either need someone to help me make a cycle with M1T and whatever else to help with side effects. Or I need an oral pro-hormone that is recommended, and recommendations on what to stack. Thanks in advance fellas.

26-01-2006, 11:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	Why are you so interested in prohormones? Dont you think a little d-bol cycle would not only be cheaper but more productive? __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

27-01-2006, 02:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	Less sides? M1T? Well, you can get gyno from M1T too. All pro-hormones and steroids can give you sides, some worse than others. You will need nolva even with M1T, even for your PCT. There is gear that are probably safer than what you are looking at like Anavar. Little to low to no shutdown, no water retention, no high blood pressure, no aromitization. Probably the best for ATP and a good strength drug. Expensive but probably safer than M1T and better results too. D-bol is cheap, good for strength, bad for water retention, does aromitize, mild shutdown. But you will for sure pick up some weight with that. A good diet and you are on your way. 6 weeks 20mg and you will like it. PCT? Nolvadex Creatine if you are going the natural rout __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

27-01-2006, 04:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	Yah, I said just one cycle __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

27-01-2006, 08:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	How much do you weigh? If you are around 200lbs then Id go to 30mg That is pretty mild for d-bol cycles. Cheaper than prohormones too. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

26-01-2006, 11:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
throwitup308 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 27	I'm not necessarily interested in pro-hormones. I know this is hardly true, but in my mind I have the picture that pro-hormones will be safer than juice. I just want a little push in my bodybuilding to give me some good gains to put a smile in my face. I only plan on doing 2 or 3 cycles, but don't want to go into it hardcore because I have no previous experience. I've heard good things about m1t and have it readily available for purchase, but I do not know where to get Nolva or other (pct's? what does that stand for anyway). I've read plenty of threads, but am still somewhat under educated. What exactly is dbol and what are the experiences with it? Whatever the stack you guys recommend, remember it has to be oral.

27-01-2006, 09:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
chris31 Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aberfeldy, ever heard of it? Posts: 226	Hi mate can you post up your stats and training experience to give us a better idea where you are coming from. Most guys on here myself included have tried prohormones and most will agree that they dont really work. Everyone has to start somewhere so do as much reading as possible before you decide on your next course of action.....cheers...chris

27-01-2006, 01:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
chris31 Gym Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aberfeldy, ever heard of it? Posts: 226	[quote=Harry]Chris how did you get on with your Superdrol???? any good?[/quote Allright Harry, yep the superdrol provided a nice end to my cycle, would use them again as im not a fan of dbol and im kickstarting with drol at the moment and ive got a face like a balloon which i didnt get off the superdrol.

27-01-2006, 07:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
throwitup308 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 27	Lol..we'll see how it goes I suppose. Thanks to hackskii's kind advice through Pm's.. I will be starting 6 week cycles of 20mg of d-bol as soon as I get my hands on some. Thanks for the advice.

27-01-2006, 09:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
throwitup308 Newbie Trainer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 27	I'm at 162 right now..6'0" tall. I hope to gain a lot though as I continue lifting and then when I find some Dbol. I'm guessing I should stick to 20mg for now?

27-01-2006, 10:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,675	25mg should be fine. 6 weeks max. If you order your other stuff from that legal online research place, Id buy some arimidex and take that at .5mg every 3 days. This will keep estrogen in check and estrogen can shut you down. It does aromatize pretty bad so this is why I suggest buying some of that Arimidex from that company. It is perfectly legal in the states too so dont worry about that. Then to do the PCT you just wait 6-8 hours and follow the nolva like I suggested. The hardest part will be probably finding the D-bol In the mean time you can take some creatine to see how that feels before you start your cycle. I like V12 by Sans nutrition myself but it is very expensive tho. If you want to do the cheap rout, buy some Creatine Monohydrate and put that in some Grape juice, along with some protein powder and take that after your workout. This is pretty recommended and the norm for most bodybuilders. At this perticular time you can take in large amounts of protein. I would take no less than 50 grams of protein with your grape juice and creatine. This will help with recouperation and feed the muscle too. Good stuff. Read somewhere (dont know how true but seems possible) that half of all your protein intake can be taken at this time. So beings that you are 162, you should be taking in at least 162 grams of protein a day and 81 grams of this can be taken after your workout. So, that could be right but sounds a tad bit high but who knows? On that D-bol cycle, you will have to up the protein some due to the postive nitrogen ballance it gives you, so more protein can work better here in this environment. Sides are increased liver values (toxicity) which return to normal shortly after discontinuation, elivated blood pressure, elivated heart rate, gyno, water retention. But with the arimidex, this will cut down on the water retention and gyno wont happen You should be fine but I would not go out drinking every night this will make the liver values worse. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 27-01-2006 at 10:37 PM.

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