cyclops_45

Forth cycle coming up in Jan/Feb. Its a toss up between a test only cycle (enanthate) OR test E and EQ:

week 1-10 test E @ 750mg - 1000mg PW (poss. 250mg eod)
week 10-13 test prop @ 600mg PW

OR

week 1-10 test E @ 500mg PW
week 1-11 EQ @ 600mg PW
week 10-13 test prop @ 600mg PW

either cycle will use adex / Ldex ED from week 3 to keep the gains dry and standard PCT for a low dose cycle

Goal is for lean/dry/keepable/mass gains, although not a cutting cycle as I plan to keep the calories somewhere around 500-1000 above maintanence.

Ive heard that the EQ will give real vascular keepable gains?
Can the same keepable gains be made on the test only cycle?
(bearing in mind Im gonna run the L-dex)

Any input would be appreciated.

hackskii

Oh man, vascular is an understatement. I was probably at 20% bodyfat and had the sickest veins in my forearms and it looked so freaking cool.
But those went away......dammit....

I like EQ myself, not a big mass builder in my opinion but why not give door number 2 a try?
I dont think you would need quite that much prop but hey, Prop is one of my favorites.
Is that prop viramone?

Don't know how good those liquid meds are but if you have used them then go ahead.

How much Adex are you going to run?
PCT just clomid or nolva?
How long are you going to run your PCT?

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EQ is somthing which gets both oppinions of being (to put it blunt) **** and others saying it great.

I have brilliant results myself off EQ and ive always loved my EQ and test cycles.

What was your prevoius cycle mate?

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The second option will produce nowhere neer as much mass gains as the first option. You just cant compare test to EQ on sa mg for mg basis..

If you have run 750mg test before you will be disapointed with option 2 IMO..

That said if you have only used 500mg test in the past then option 2 is the one to go for..

EQ does give some real good vascilarity, and it makes the gains from the test more keepable..

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Cheater2K

thats one of the factors i like about it

EQ is slower at putting mass on, but you dont hold half as much water as test.

I do agree with aftershocks other points though.

Although remember, a high test only cycle can make you hold onto alot of water, so arimidex at 0.5mg EOD would be a good idea to keep water at bay if you chose that route.

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For this point i would go for option 2, mainly because its easier to keep dry and the gains are more keepable with EQ.

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I love the totally sick veins that you get.
Had a guy comment once on that and he could not get over how veiny my forearms were.

But those did not keep so

Read once that it increases red blood cell count and actually blood volume so that is probably why.
But if that is the case then high blood pressure could be a factor.

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- test prop will be a MISR Co. gear (Egyptian) that I used for a Tren and prop cycle (With awesome results)

- if doing test only then was going to use 0.5mg ED. I've used a research lab L-dex for the tren and prop cycle, but was concerned that 0.5mg ED was too much. From the reading i've done I ve heard that it can have adverse affects on the lipid profile by driving estrogen levels too low

- was going to run PCT using nolva for 4-6 weeks (?) day 1: 80mg, rest of week 1: 40mg ED, week 2: 30mg ED and so on. Along with tribulus, ZMA and creatine (its the same PCT Im running at the moment). I didnt get on great with clomid. Also like this last cycle possible use HCG @500ius every 3 days for whole cycle (although not sure if using it for 10-14 weeks is running the risk of desensitization ?)

DB

go for test an EQ imo... i much prefer runnin test with a decent anabolic.. but everyone is different....

i'm gonna run EQ next cycle me thinks

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Ive never run a test only cycle. So far done 3 cycles:

First 2 were Sust /Deca /Proviron cycles a x12 week and x15 weeker (max sust dose was 750mg PW and deca 600mg PW) and have just finished a 7 week Tren and Prop cylce (tren @75mg ED test prop @ 75mg ED - upped tren from 75mg EOD at week 3). Results were good.

Im now running PCT.

cyclops_45

with regards to the cross over from long acting gear to the test prop
is two weeks enough time for the EQ to clear the system?

Ideally Id like to run the EQ (if I go with option 2) for at least 12 weeks but then I read posts from bros that are against doing cycles over 12 weeks (because of recovery)

option 2
week 1-10 test E @ 500mg PW
week 1-11 EQ @ 600mg PW
week 10-13 test prop @ 600mg PW

hackskii

Man, you have been doing some reading.......Nice....
Not too many people know about low estrogen and lipid profile either.
It also down regulates GnRH receptors driving estrogen too low too.

500iu of HCG every 3 days?......You have been reading

Sounds solid to me.

A-dex has a half life of about 3 days.
HCG has a half life of about 5 days but I think it is actually less than that.

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hackskii

Correctomundo on the long recovery.
But alot of guys say EQ is worthless without going long on the cycles.
Matt (Big) likes long EQ cycles.

Id say if you recovered well with the Deca, then you should not have that big of a problem with the EQ then.

Yes, I think 2 weeks might not be enough time for that EQ to clear.

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DB

he has never run EQ dude..

the only thin i'd say is u may be disapointed with the dose u have choosen

EQ is weaker than deca... and u are runnin the same dose

if i were u mate..(and because of ur previous doses)
i'd run

1-12 enan,sust or cyp 750 mg
1-12 EQ 700-800mg (maybe 1500 week one)
week 12-15 prop

just my opinion mate

Jimmy is a fan of EQ i think..he tried it at high dose and really enjoyed it i think

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[quote=cyclops_45]
First 2 were Sust /Deca /Proviron cycles a x12 week and x15 weeker (max sust dose was 750mg PW and deca 600mg PW) QUOTE]

Im with DB that second cycle isnt gona touch you after you have already done 750mg test and 600mg DECA..

Mg for mg EQ isnt a touch on DECA tbh.. I'm loath to say up the dose cause if you had good results from the above I would just run it again, theres no reason you cant grow on that much gear.. Theres nothing to say you HAVE to increase the dose each time..

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