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**hackskii** · 20-01-2004, 12:16 AM

HGH Growth Hormone (GH, HGH, Genotropin) Generic Name: Somatotropin

Growth hormone has a strong anabolic effect as it not only causes muscular hypertrophy (enlargement of muscle cells ) but also muscular hyperplasia ( increase of the number of muscle cells) while anabolic steroids only cause muscular hypertrophy. HGH also influences burning of fat, strengthens the connective tissue ( tendons and cartilage ) and greatly increases strength. Gains made on HGH cycle remain after the drug has been discontinued.

HGH has to be used in combination with thyroid hormones (T3), insulin, anabolic steroids; anadrol, sustanon, omnadren , testosteron propionat ... to be effective. Because growth hormone has a short half life injections should be divided throughout the day.

All professional bodybuilders use HGH as well as most of professional athletes from boxers, martial artists, gymnasts... it is a favorite of professional athletes all over the world because of it's unique effects and because there is no method for detecting it in doping tests. The use of exogenous sources of Growth Hormone has been popular in the United States for several years now.

Originally, athletes used biologically active forms that were the actual extract of the pituitary glands of cadavers. While production was under way on the synthetic, recombinant DNA versions of this drug, it was discovered that the biologically active form was associated with the formation of a rare brain virus called Creutzveldt Jacob Disease. This was a fatal virus that afflicted a very small number of GH users, none of whom were athletes. In light of this discovery, the FDA removed all of these natural GH versions from the market in the United States. Luckily, the synthetic recombinant versions were approved by the FDA a short time afterwards. These versions were developed after years of experiments with amino acid chains. The first of these versions was patented and produced by Genentech Labs with the brand name Protropin. A short time later, another form of synthetic Growth Hormone gained FDA approval.

It was produced by Eli Lilly Labs and brand named Humatrope. This product was allowed to be patented because it was shown to be unique in that it contained a slightly different amino acid chain than the Protropin. The difference was that Humatrope had 191 amino acid chains in sequence and Protropin had 192. For some very complicated reasons, the 191 amino acid configuration has been shown to be more effective. It had been speculated that these synthetic versions of GH would greatly improve the cost effectiveness of using GH, yet that has not been the case.

An athlete who wants to do a cycle of GH can still expect to be out as much as $2000 a month. There are numerous versions of Growth Hormone available in Europe, the majority of which are made up of the 191 amino acid sequence. There is even a form of the original human extract Growth Hormone, called Grorm which is available in a few countries. Although this drug is indicated for the treatment of pituitary deficient dwarfism, it has been used extensively by athletes who are attempting to alter their body composition. Growth Hormone itself, is an endogenous hormone produced by the pituitary gland. It exists at especially high levels during the teen years when it promotes growth of almost all tissues. It also contributes to the deposition of protein and promotes the breakdown of fat for use as energy. As the body reaches full maturation, the endogenous levels of GH are substantially diminished. After this, GH is still present in the body but at a substantially lower level where it continues to aid in protein synthesis, RNA and DNA reactions and the conversion of body fat to energy. By introducing an exogenous source of this hormone, athletes are hoping to promote these effects, causing the body to deposit more muscle tissue while at the same time reducing body fat stores.

On paper, GH should work exceptionally well; however, it does not seem to be delivering up to its potential. Most athletes who have experimented with this product end up being disappointed. There is some evidence that exogenous sources of GH are being destroyed by antibodies which appear after the introduction of the synthetic compound. Although the 191 amino acid sequence versions have been shown to produce less of an antibody reaction, they are still not yielding consistent results. I have speculated as to whether the introduction of exogenous GH would yield an appreciable degree of efficacy simply due to the fact that the body does not have sufficient receptor affinity to GH in the post-teen years. A number of athletes claim that GH is not that effective on its own, but in a stack with steroids it can do remarkable things. Perhaps there is some type of actual synergism created by the concomitant use of these two agents. Empirical data suggests that the efficacy of GH is dose related and that the majority of users may not have been taking enough of it to get positive results. Despite speculation concerning its efficacy, synthetic GH is being used by thousands of elite athletes. These include men and women bodybuilders, strength athletes, as well as a multitude of Olympic competitors. Although Growth Hormone is banned by athletic committees, there is no method for the detection of it which allows drug tested competitors to use this product freely without any ramifications.

Adverse reactions to GH use are rare but technically could involve acromegaly (elongation of the feet, forehead and hands). Other possible side effects involve overgrowth of the elbows or jaw, thickening of the skin and a type of diabetes. Effective dosages seem to be in the area of 4 IU/day. Cycle length is usually determined by how long the athlete can afford it. Some take the product for 6 week cycles, others use it year round.

**Great White** · 20-01-2004, 08:54 AM

Cheater2K · 20-01-2004, 09:21 AM

Paul - Might be an idea to have these linked into the articles section, so people can read them in the furture to. Good work matey

**Great White** · 20-01-2004, 10:11 AM

Yes mate

If you read the post in the moderator lounge......

Paul

damagedgoods · 20-01-2004, 03:35 PM

Now if only I could afford it.........

**hackskii** · 20-01-2004, 04:58 PM

It is overrated but does seem to help with the waist line. I lost 4" on my waist and did not lose any weight. When I got off of it, I ate the same and put back 2".:(
So for the price it is not worth it. Now, If it was cheaper then I would say go for it.
I am spending about $8.00-$9.00 per IU and I take 2 IU's a day. $18.00 a day is alot of money, considering the gear is about that a week and has more bang for the buck. But there is no post cycle crash on the HGH though.

smithy · 20-01-2004, 09:41 PM

Thanks for the info.It is overrated for bbing but then again ive only been using it on it's own.I have started insulin with it and i'm working up to 8iu's post work out so i'll let you know how it goes.I plan to use the gh for at least 12 months and i'm also going add some test to the cycle at some stage.
I'm not sure how Jintropin compares to other gh as i have not tried other brands but i have already noticed a big improvement in srength and muscle tone and it's cost effective.(well,compared to other brands anyway!!!)

**hackskii** · 20-01-2004, 09:48 PM

Smithy, what brand are you using?
How many IU's?
How much money per IU?

I am on HGH right now and with test it works better. HGH does tend to make you a little hyperglycemic, that is where the insuline comes in. It does tend to make you hypothyroid as well.

Cheater2K · 20-01-2004, 10:36 PM

lol, im working my way through the forums matey

remember, i got alot of reading to catch up on

smithy · 21-01-2004, 10:52 PM

The brand I am using is Jintropin made by Gensci.I have searched the American boards and nobody has a bad word to say about it.I have posted a photo in the pic section.

I started at 5iu's per day but got a bit of tingling in my fingers so cut it back to 3iu's and that is probably where i'm staying for the full cycle.The feeling in my fingers only lasted a few days but considering the length of the cycle I can always up the dose again at a later stage.I did months of research and I finally opted for gh but i'm still learning stuff thanks to yourself and others.I don't want to upset anyone by discussing prices and if i'm speaking out of turn let me know but i'm paying £*** per 100iu kit.

**hackskii** · 22-01-2004, 01:57 AM

HGH works better long term. All gains are kept, unless it is fat loss. Eating the same on the HGH and off is not good, you will get the fat back. Funny thing about HGH is it can build more muscle tissue than what you were born with genetically.
Sounds good huh?

I am nut sure this can be done without the Testosterone, meaning the test does some good stuff like make th muscles grow and the pumps are fabulous. I think they call the extra growth hypertrophy. Many claims on this one is floating around with various workouts, number of sets, number of workouts, crazy workouts. Fact of the matter HGH is the only thing to my knowledge to do this. I could be wrong and would love to find a cheaper way to do this, REALLY!
HGH makes me feel good. HGH makes my fat go away. HGH does make me hungry though.
I found I feel better when I take some DHEA with the HGH (stuff is cheap). It makes me not so hungry and can help the hyperglycemia (that is a plus). I thought that when I took too much of the DHEA my blood pressure went up. So I backed it down some. 25 milligrams is ok for me, and it is actually a pre-curser to test from what I have read. Smithy, you might want to pick up some. Just a thought.
Well, let me know how all goes and TTL

Raven · 22-01-2004, 08:48 AM

I'm hearing a lot of good things about jinatrophin and the price is right too, I might give it ago.

BTW can we keep price discussion of the forum please

**Great White** · 22-01-2004, 01:14 PM

Really keen to give HGH a go.....

It is the only steroid i dont really know much about tho.

I might have a chat with you Raven and Hackskii cause you both seem to be the Guru`s on it.

How long would 100Ui`s last?

Paul

**Great White** · 22-01-2004, 01:15 PM

Quote:

An athlete who wants to do a cycle of GH can still expect to be out as much as $2000 a month

Your joking right?

**hackskii** · 22-01-2004, 05:53 PM

That is what it used to cost.
I take 2 IU's a day (cant afford much more than that). If I take more than that my jaw gets locked up when I eat. Tends to make my left wrist ache too. HGH works better over longer periods of times like even a year. It makes me feel good but if I had the money I would just take it forever like the actors and actresses do. It can imporve eyesight, memory, wrinkles on skin go away, re-grow hear, fat loss, muscle gain, strengthens connective tissue, gives you some really wild dreams. I like it but it does get espensive though.

So Paul 100 IU's will last 50 days at the amount I take. Some only take 1 IU a day so that is 100 days. Some take 6 IU's a day. Some Aids patents take 20 IU's a day. So I guess it all up to what you can afford. The really high doses might have to take slin with it.

20-01-2004, 12:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	HGH info. HGH Growth Hormone (GH, HGH, Genotropin) Generic Name: Somatotropin Growth hormone has a strong anabolic effect as it not only causes muscular hypertrophy (enlargement of muscle cells ) but also muscular hyperplasia ( increase of the number of muscle cells) while anabolic steroids only cause muscular hypertrophy. HGH also influences burning of fat, strengthens the connective tissue ( tendons and cartilage ) and greatly increases strength. Gains made on HGH cycle remain after the drug has been discontinued. HGH has to be used in combination with thyroid hormones (T3), insulin, anabolic steroids; anadrol, sustanon, omnadren , testosteron propionat ... to be effective. Because growth hormone has a short half life injections should be divided throughout the day. All professional bodybuilders use HGH as well as most of professional athletes from boxers, martial artists, gymnasts... it is a favorite of professional athletes all over the world because of it's unique effects and because there is no method for detecting it in doping tests. The use of exogenous sources of Growth Hormone has been popular in the United States for several years now. Originally, athletes used biologically active forms that were the actual extract of the pituitary glands of cadavers. While production was under way on the synthetic, recombinant DNA versions of this drug, it was discovered that the biologically active form was associated with the formation of a rare brain virus called Creutzveldt Jacob Disease. This was a fatal virus that afflicted a very small number of GH users, none of whom were athletes. In light of this discovery, the FDA removed all of these natural GH versions from the market in the United States. Luckily, the synthetic recombinant versions were approved by the FDA a short time afterwards. These versions were developed after years of experiments with amino acid chains. The first of these versions was patented and produced by Genentech Labs with the brand name Protropin. A short time later, another form of synthetic Growth Hormone gained FDA approval. It was produced by Eli Lilly Labs and brand named Humatrope. This product was allowed to be patented because it was shown to be unique in that it contained a slightly different amino acid chain than the Protropin. The difference was that Humatrope had 191 amino acid chains in sequence and Protropin had 192. For some very complicated reasons, the 191 amino acid configuration has been shown to be more effective. It had been speculated that these synthetic versions of GH would greatly improve the cost effectiveness of using GH, yet that has not been the case. An athlete who wants to do a cycle of GH can still expect to be out as much as $2000 a month. There are numerous versions of Growth Hormone available in Europe, the majority of which are made up of the 191 amino acid sequence. There is even a form of the original human extract Growth Hormone, called Grorm which is available in a few countries. Although this drug is indicated for the treatment of pituitary deficient dwarfism, it has been used extensively by athletes who are attempting to alter their body composition. Growth Hormone itself, is an endogenous hormone produced by the pituitary gland. It exists at especially high levels during the teen years when it promotes growth of almost all tissues. It also contributes to the deposition of protein and promotes the breakdown of fat for use as energy. As the body reaches full maturation, the endogenous levels of GH are substantially diminished. After this, GH is still present in the body but at a substantially lower level where it continues to aid in protein synthesis, RNA and DNA reactions and the conversion of body fat to energy. By introducing an exogenous source of this hormone, athletes are hoping to promote these effects, causing the body to deposit more muscle tissue while at the same time reducing body fat stores. On paper, GH should work exceptionally well; however, it does not seem to be delivering up to its potential. Most athletes who have experimented with this product end up being disappointed. There is some evidence that exogenous sources of GH are being destroyed by antibodies which appear after the introduction of the synthetic compound. Although the 191 amino acid sequence versions have been shown to produce less of an antibody reaction, they are still not yielding consistent results. I have speculated as to whether the introduction of exogenous GH would yield an appreciable degree of efficacy simply due to the fact that the body does not have sufficient receptor affinity to GH in the post-teen years. A number of athletes claim that GH is not that effective on its own, but in a stack with steroids it can do remarkable things. Perhaps there is some type of actual synergism created by the concomitant use of these two agents. Empirical data suggests that the efficacy of GH is dose related and that the majority of users may not have been taking enough of it to get positive results. Despite speculation concerning its efficacy, synthetic GH is being used by thousands of elite athletes. These include men and women bodybuilders, strength athletes, as well as a multitude of Olympic competitors. Although Growth Hormone is banned by athletic committees, there is no method for the detection of it which allows drug tested competitors to use this product freely without any ramifications. Adverse reactions to GH use are rare but technically could involve acromegaly (elongation of the feet, forehead and hands). Other possible side effects involve overgrowth of the elbows or jaw, thickening of the skin and a type of diabetes. Effective dosages seem to be in the area of 4 IU/day. Cycle length is usually determined by how long the athlete can afford it. Some take the product for 6 week cycles, others use it year round. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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20-01-2004, 04:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	It is overrated but does seem to help with the waist line. I lost 4" on my waist and did not lose any weight. When I got off of it, I ate the same and put back 2".:( So for the price it is not worth it. Now, If it was cheaper then I would say go for it. I am spending about $8.00-$9.00 per IU and I take 2 IU's a day. $18.00 a day is alot of money, considering the gear is about that a week and has more bang for the buck. But there is no post cycle crash on the HGH though. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

20-01-2004, 03:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
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20-01-2004, 09:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
smithy Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 130	Thanks for the info.It is overrated for bbing but then again ive only been using it on it's own.I have started insulin with it and i'm working up to 8iu's post work out so i'll let you know how it goes.I plan to use the gh for at least 12 months and i'm also going add some test to the cycle at some stage. I'm not sure how Jintropin compares to other gh as i have not tried other brands but i have already noticed a big improvement in srength and muscle tone and it's cost effective.(well,compared to other brands anyway!!!) __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

20-01-2004, 09:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	Smithy, what brand are you using? How many IU's? How much money per IU? I am on HGH right now and with test it works better. HGH does tend to make you a little hyperglycemic, that is where the insuline comes in. It does tend to make you hypothyroid as well. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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21-01-2004, 10:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
smithy Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancashire Posts: 130	The brand I am using is Jintropin made by Gensci.I have searched the American boards and nobody has a bad word to say about it.I have posted a photo in the pic section. I started at 5iu's per day but got a bit of tingling in my fingers so cut it back to 3iu's and that is probably where i'm staying for the full cycle.The feeling in my fingers only lasted a few days but considering the length of the cycle I can always up the dose again at a later stage.I did months of research and I finally opted for gh but i'm still learning stuff thanks to yourself and others.I don't want to upset anyone by discussing prices and if i'm speaking out of turn let me know but i'm paying £*** per 100iu kit. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 25-03-2004 at 03:29 AM.

22-01-2004, 01:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	HGH works better long term. All gains are kept, unless it is fat loss. Eating the same on the HGH and off is not good, you will get the fat back. Funny thing about HGH is it can build more muscle tissue than what you were born with genetically. Sounds good huh? I am nut sure this can be done without the Testosterone, meaning the test does some good stuff like make th muscles grow and the pumps are fabulous. I think they call the extra growth hypertrophy. Many claims on this one is floating around with various workouts, number of sets, number of workouts, crazy workouts. Fact of the matter HGH is the only thing to my knowledge to do this. I could be wrong and would love to find a cheaper way to do this, REALLY! HGH makes me feel good. HGH makes my fat go away. HGH does make me hungry though. I found I feel better when I take some DHEA with the HGH (stuff is cheap). It makes me not so hungry and can help the hyperglycemia (that is a plus). I thought that when I took too much of the DHEA my blood pressure went up. So I backed it down some. 25 milligrams is ok for me, and it is actually a pre-curser to test from what I have read. Smithy, you might want to pick up some. Just a thought. Well, let me know how all goes and TTL __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 25-03-2004 at 03:30 AM.

22-01-2004, 08:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
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22-01-2004, 01:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,272	Really keen to give HGH a go..... It is the only steroid i dont really know much about tho. I might have a chat with you Raven and Hackskii cause you both seem to be the Guru`s on it. How long would 100Ui`s last? Paul __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

22-01-2004, 05:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,654	That is what it used to cost. I take 2 IU's a day (cant afford much more than that). If I take more than that my jaw gets locked up when I eat. Tends to make my left wrist ache too. HGH works better over longer periods of times like even a year. It makes me feel good but if I had the money I would just take it forever like the actors and actresses do. It can imporve eyesight, memory, wrinkles on skin go away, re-grow hear, fat loss, muscle gain, strengthens connective tissue, gives you some really wild dreams. I like it but it does get espensive though. So Paul 100 IU's will last 50 days at the amount I take. Some only take 1 IU a day so that is 100 days. Some take 6 IU's a day. Some Aids patents take 20 IU's a day. So I guess it all up to what you can afford. The really high doses might have to take slin with it. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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