will steroids help my 100m time, you tell me... - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

chung · 10-11-2005, 06:55 AM

hi,

I have had a conversation with a friend that has led me to believe that there is a significant amount of advantage to be gained by using a steroid of somesort, to improve my 100m time. i will remain nameless for obvious reasons, but i will say, i am 20 years of age, have a 100m pb of 10.44, a 200m pb of 21.55, and a 60m pb of 6.69. I am 6 ft 1, and currently weigh 74 kgs. i can leg press around 400 kilos, which surprises alot of my personal friends who say that if i were to take a "cycle"...that i would push much more. my bench pb is only 75kgs at 2 reps. i am what you would call a "lanky" athlete.

So, the question is out there for anyone willing to help. Can i improve my 100-200m time with steroids, how much improvement is realistic, How much weight will i gain, and will the weight that i will have gained, be as useful to me as it is now; i.e power to weight ratio.

If any other infor is required, just pm.

thanks.

**Pscarb** · 10-11-2005, 09:07 AM

it will increase your times this is why AAS are on the IOC banned substance list as they give an unfair advantage.

AAS will build muscle what type of building is down to the type of training you do...

alot of Athletes are using GH as this is harder to detect than AAS

Predator · 10-11-2005, 10:15 AM

As above mate. Some gear might be better suited to your needs though.

Predator

SprintStar · 10-11-2005, 11:27 AM

Chung... a fellow sprinter I see, we're a rare breed on this site!

If you're running 10.44 clean, there is a lot of room for improvement, if you were to turn to AAS. I improved my personal best in the 100 by 0.30 in one year, which is proof that the stuff works very much to your advantage in sprinting.

The idea is to get as strong as possible with as little weight gain as you can manage. You are going for power here.... explosiveness.... not heavy muscle mass. At 6'1, you're going to want to be in and around the 85 KG mark, give or take. I would guess that to be about the average for your height. That said, you're going to want to use AAS that promotes quality strength/power gains, to remain at your preferred weight. What has worked well for me in the past is the Test Propionate/Winstrol combination, which will harden you up nice, minimize water-gains, and promote decent strength gains with proper diet. As a first time AAS user, I think that might be your best course of action, given that you don't know how your body might respond to AAS. I am beginning a course of Trenbolone and Test Propionate in the next few weeks (Tren being a fairly potent, more advanced/serious substance), which I am hoping will take me to a new level on the track (after several courses) mainly because of the high quality strength gains that Tren promotes. I'll have to wait and see though, it's definitely worth a try.

As a beginner, it wouldn't hurt to try ANAVAR, which is a drug with very little, if any, side effects, and pretty decent strength gains. This is somehthing I would recommend to any first time user, sinply because things like gyno will not appear, and there is no need to run PCT (post-cycle therapy) after use. I've made some very decent gains using only ANAVAR (by itself), which attests to it's effectiveness. The only problem with VAR is the price, which can really hit your wallet hard.

Good luck lad, any other questions feel free to ask.

Sen0 · 10-11-2005, 12:20 PM

I would not recommend not runnning PCT after Anavar use it still affects your own test prodcution... THis below was taken from another site!

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.

LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3
Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.

Sen0 · 10-11-2005, 12:22 PM

I wouldnt be too keen on running Winstrol aswel as this can weaken your tendens ... ! dont think u want this as a sprinter !

**Pscarb** · 10-11-2005, 12:30 PM

i have seen this post on Var before if i remember correctly it is based on the opinion of the writer.

Timmy Smooth · 10-11-2005, 12:35 PM

The real question is should you use steroids to improve your times.

It's cheating, it's a low thing to do and it degrades the sport.

Using drugs in competitive athletic sports ruins them - it becomes less about human achievmant and more about who's got the best chemist working behind the scenes.

**robdog** · 10-11-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy Smooth

The real question is should you use steroids to improve your times.

It's cheating, it's a low thing to do and it degrades the sport.

Using drugs in competitive athletic sports ruins them - it becomes less about human achievmant and more about who's got the best chemist working behind the scenes.

I disagree mate if it wasnt for the use of AAS then you wouldnt have seen hardly any of the great performances you probably have seen in the past 20-25 years especially world records etc.

Its a part of the sport now. It doesnt take away any of the human achievmant imo as they still have to put in the hard work whether using something or not.

Magic Torch · 10-11-2005, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy Smooth

The real question is should you use steroids to improve your times.

It's cheating, it's a low thing to do and it degrades the sport.

Using drugs in competitive athletic sports ruins them - it becomes less about human achievmant and more about who's got the best chemist working behind the scenes.

BUMP, I think it is wrong.

Sprint star if you cheat in this way how are you a 'Star'? Persuading fellow athletes to be a cheat like you is wrong and bad for your sport.

Also I don’t think you should be openly asking ppl to PM you for source info....

Chung if you feel you need to take AAS or GH then make sure that you have tried everything else first and that your diet and workout are at there peak before you even consider drugs, they are there IMO to help you push on from your natural peak not as a quick fix. Think about it....do you really need them and would you wanna be really happy in the fact that you cheated to win?

**robdog** · 10-11-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiedsmith1981

Sprint star if you cheat in this way how are you a 'Star'? Persuading fellow athletes to be a cheat like you is wrong and bad for your sport.

Mate you say that like most of the top guys dont use lol. Come on i would bet my house on the fact that 99.9% of the worlds best athletes use something they shouldnt to get the extra edge. Are they then not stars?

People say cheat like someone with no talent or desire to succeed can just do a bit of gear and be the b0llox. You still have to put all the work in ie training, diet etc etc gear just gives you the extra edge.

Now if no other athletes or sports people took anything then i would say its wrong for people to do so because its cheating but most of them do.

If you want to make sport your career and earn good money doing it whats the point of competing week in week out against people using PED when your not. The goal of a successful sports person is to win and be the very best they can.

Your point in theory may be a good one but in todays world just to be on a level playing field with your fellow competitors you have to use something else you will never be the best imo.

Maybe not a good thing to hear in an ideal world but we live in far from one of those.

IMO there should be professional and amature versions of things like athletics where the profs are allowed to do whatever it takes to win and get new records etc and the amatures should be clean and see what they can do and have there own records.

If people realy think that major sports stars in very physical sports dont use PED then they are living in a dream world imo. There is to much money to be won for people not to risk it.

LeRoy · 10-11-2005, 02:01 PM

Ben jonson could'nt get under 1031 despite training his guts out on his comeback, after posting 9.79 on a softer track, he dropped under 10 almost immediately after a short cycle, but got busted and banned for life, draw your own conclusions, if a sport requires power, hello steroids!

LeRoy · 10-11-2005, 02:05 PM

10.31 sorry, as opposed to 9.79, this was after with muscle memory and everything, but some juice, and he dropped under 10 again.

Magic Torch · 10-11-2005, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robdog

People say cheat like someone with no talent or desire to succeed can just do a bit of gear and be the b0llox. You still have to put all the work in ie training, diet etc etc gear just gives you the extra edge.

Agreed that is why I said about only doing it once on the top of your routine/diet.

I dont agree with taking banned supps in sports but then thats my opinion, I am a bit of an old fashioned guy!

If your gonna take it and you get tested and caught then on your own head be it....

**robdog** · 10-11-2005, 03:57 PM

I realy feel sorry for the guys who do test positive as i feel they are made scape goats.

The women who was in charge of drug testing for British Athletics was fired not so long back the official reason being something to do with red tape where ive heard of one or two in the know that the real reason she was fired is because she actually wanted to catch the drug users lmao!!!

Its in the sports governing bodies interestes to not catch the cheats if you get me. I mean if every athlete in say the 100m sprint who actually used drugs was banned you wouldnt have an event lmao!!!

10-11-2005, 06:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
chung Newbie Trainer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4	will steroids help my 100m time, you tell me... hi, I have had a conversation with a friend that has led me to believe that there is a significant amount of advantage to be gained by using a steroid of somesort, to improve my 100m time. i will remain nameless for obvious reasons, but i will say, i am 20 years of age, have a 100m pb of 10.44, a 200m pb of 21.55, and a 60m pb of 6.69. I am 6 ft 1, and currently weigh 74 kgs. i can leg press around 400 kilos, which surprises alot of my personal friends who say that if i were to take a "cycle"...that i would push much more. my bench pb is only 75kgs at 2 reps. i am what you would call a "lanky" athlete. So, the question is out there for anyone willing to help. Can i improve my 100-200m time with steroids, how much improvement is realistic, How much weight will i gain, and will the weight that i will have gained, be as useful to me as it is now; i.e power to weight ratio. If any other infor is required, just pm. thanks.

10-11-2005, 09:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pscarb UK-Muscle Moderator and NABBA Champion Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 16,564	it will increase your times this is why AAS are on the IOC banned substance list as they give an unfair advantage. AAS will build muscle what type of building is down to the type of training you do... alot of Athletes are using GH as this is harder to detect than AAS __________________ Do not PM or Mail me asking for a source as a BAN may offend

10-11-2005, 11:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
SprintStar Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 264	Chung... a fellow sprinter I see, we're a rare breed on this site! If you're running 10.44 clean, there is a lot of room for improvement, if you were to turn to AAS. I improved my personal best in the 100 by 0.30 in one year, which is proof that the stuff works very much to your advantage in sprinting. The idea is to get as strong as possible with as little weight gain as you can manage. You are going for power here.... explosiveness.... not heavy muscle mass. At 6'1, you're going to want to be in and around the 85 KG mark, give or take. I would guess that to be about the average for your height. That said, you're going to want to use AAS that promotes quality strength/power gains, to remain at your preferred weight. What has worked well for me in the past is the Test Propionate/Winstrol combination, which will harden you up nice, minimize water-gains, and promote decent strength gains with proper diet. As a first time AAS user, I think that might be your best course of action, given that you don't know how your body might respond to AAS. I am beginning a course of Trenbolone and Test Propionate in the next few weeks (Tren being a fairly potent, more advanced/serious substance), which I am hoping will take me to a new level on the track (after several courses) mainly because of the high quality strength gains that Tren promotes. I'll have to wait and see though, it's definitely worth a try. As a beginner, it wouldn't hurt to try ANAVAR, which is a drug with very little, if any, side effects, and pretty decent strength gains. This is somehthing I would recommend to any first time user, sinply because things like gyno will not appear, and there is no need to run PCT (post-cycle therapy) after use. I've made some very decent gains using only ANAVAR (by itself), which attests to it's effectiveness. The only problem with VAR is the price, which can really hit your wallet hard. Good luck lad, any other questions feel free to ask. Last edited by Pscarb; 10-11-2005 at 03:43 PM.

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10-11-2005, 10:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Predator Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Uk Posts: 1,620	As above mate. Some gear might be better suited to your needs though. Predator

10-11-2005, 12:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sen0 Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London Posts: 230	I would not recommend not runnning PCT after Anavar use it still affects your own test prodcution... THis below was taken from another site! MYTHS Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA. False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used. Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound. This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14. If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT. Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT. This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient. LIBIDO The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this. #1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call. #2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too . #3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage. BENEFITS Anavar is a badass drug. This is why. #1 - Vascularity Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21. #2 - Pumps When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage. #3 - Strength Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21. #4 - Fat Loss Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen . CYCLE Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage. Cycle #1 Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8 Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12 Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12 Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11 Cycle #2 Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8 Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8 Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11 Cycle #3 Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8 Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11 If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing. LIVER PROTECTION Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most. It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone . 1 - Milk Thistle The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin 2 - R ALA A powerful antioxidant 3 - NAC Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione 4 - Vitamin C and E Antioxidants 5 - LOADS of water Helps to flush out your entire system LIPID PROTECTION Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax... 1 - Flax Oil Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad. 2 - Policosanol Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high. 3 - Niacin Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.

10-11-2005, 12:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Sen0 Gym Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London Posts: 230	I wouldnt be too keen on running Winstrol aswel as this can weaken your tendens ... ! dont think u want this as a sprinter !

10-11-2005, 12:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
Timmy Smooth Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camden, London, via Cardiff. Posts: 2,791	The real question is should you use steroids to improve your times. It's cheating, it's a low thing to do and it degrades the sport. Using drugs in competitive athletic sports ruins them - it becomes less about human achievmant and more about who's got the best chemist working behind the scenes.

10-11-2005, 02:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
LeRoy Rebuilding the Body! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 142	Ben jonson could'nt get under 1031 despite training his guts out on his comeback, after posting 9.79 on a softer track, he dropped under 10 almost immediately after a short cycle, but got busted and banned for life, draw your own conclusions, if a sport requires power, hello steroids!

10-11-2005, 02:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
LeRoy Rebuilding the Body! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: London Posts: 142	10.31 sorry, as opposed to 9.79, this was after with muscle memory and everything, but some juice, and he dropped under 10 again.

10-11-2005, 03:57 PM	#15 (permalink)
robdog UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Home!! Posts: 6,439	I realy feel sorry for the guys who do test positive as i feel they are made scape goats. The women who was in charge of drug testing for British Athletics was fired not so long back the official reason being something to do with red tape where ive heard of one or two in the know that the real reason she was fired is because she actually wanted to catch the drug users lmao!!! Its in the sports governing bodies interestes to not catch the cheats if you get me. I mean if every athlete in say the 100m sprint who actually used drugs was banned you wouldnt have an event lmao!!!