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Magic Torch · 26-03-2008, 10:45 PM

I dont really know why this is under Shows, Pros and inspiration, but I didn't know where else to put it.....

I have been around this forum for a couple of years now and it has really helped me in my training and lifting. I have met some good guys through here and a few not so good guys lol, but the one thing its taught me is that good advice is good advice no matter where the source. I was going to just ask Tom to take a look through this and Baz, Big, Ash and David Loydd through email etc, but I thought nah I'll do it on here have them comment and advise so that you all can see it.

I dont just want their advise tho, I want everyone to comment and add to this. Be that 20st mass monsters or guys who have been training 2 weeks, valid points are valid points no matter the source.

I wanna use this to help me focus on what I am doing, I will update it once a week as a minium, maybe daily if I have decent things to add.

Ok, my aim. I want to try and hit 16stone lean, cut and vascular. Then if people think I am ready I may try and do a show - eek!

Today I am around 206 lbs and fairly lean, I am 5'11" before ppl ask lol. I may do some pics at the weekend with Baz on Sunday.

Gear. I am currently using 1gram of Sust a week and have been on for 2 weeks.

I plan on the following:

Weeks 1-8: Sust 250mg/ml 2mls Mon, 2mls Thurs.
Weeks 9-12: Mastron Prop 150mg/ml, Test Prop 100mg/ml, 1ml of each EOD. Also 40mg Anvar ED.
Week 11&12: HCG 1500iu's EOD, 20mg Nolva ED
Week 13-16: RHOM PCT caps.
Week 13-18: IGF 66mcg Training days

I will also run generic blue GH and Slin PWO, 10iu slin and 6iu GH.

My diet is the following, it will be around 4000-4500 Cals a day.

diet.doc

Training I will document tomorrow........

TH&S · 26-03-2008, 10:53 PM

Ahhh Magic! I though you mainly did swimming.....?

How come PCT starts straight after your last shot of Mast & Prop...?

I know the jury is still out on this one... But do you think 1500IU HCG EOD is advisable...?

I'd be tempted to drop the dose and then either:

Run it at the end of the cycle into the Cycle-PCT gap (see the question above) - as a Pulse to get the Testes kick started

Or run it all the way through PCT for 4 weeks

But little and often would seem a more sensible choice to me.

NeilpWest · 26-03-2008, 10:57 PM

Good luck J, cycle looks good get you well on your way to that stone and abit you need. I prefer to run hcg through the cycle but have done 1500iu shots ew and that was fine.

Magic Torch · 26-03-2008, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TH&S

Ahhh Magic! I though you mainly did swimming.....?

Yeah but a sink cause I aint got no fat

How come PCT starts straight after your last shot of Mast & Prop...?

They both should be hiting half life at 3 days, so if I do the last shot on Friday, Monday should be cool I think?

I know the jury is still out on this one... But do you think 1500IU HCG EOD is advisable...?

Hmmm I have run it this way my last 3 cycles....always been ok, but I run the nolva as I notice a few lumps on it, do you have any links to other ideas? I have a few months to look through it...

I'd be tempted to drop the dose and then either:

Run it at the end of the cycle into the Cycle-PCT gap (see the question above) - as a Pulse to get the Testes kick started

Or run it all the way through PCT for 4 weeks

But little and often would seem a more sensible choice to me.

I tried it through before mate and didn't get on too well with it, I never run it through PCT as I like to have it done first then start PCT.

I will read up on some bits and then look back over it

Thanks bud

Cheers Neil

TH&S · 26-03-2008, 11:18 PM

Magic - most of my hCG info doesn't apply to PCT. I've got some hCG and TRT info kicking about, but most of the studies I have relate to the use of hCG in women.

There are two camps - little and often, or big doses for not very along (along side an AI/SERM)

Between 250iu and 500iu seems to be the best bet dosage wise on a EOD/E3D basis.

Have a look at this link:
http://www.ironlife.com/mag/issue13/crisler.shtml

If you are doing the two week pulse, then I've a feeling this should be done after your last shot of Mast/Prop and before your PCT.

The Mast/Prop will have some suppression, but the hCG will also suppress you to a degree (in terms of upsetting the HPTA), as its exogenous LH/hCG being used to kickstart the testes.

Whereas is you do the hCG after the last shot, while its exogenous LH/hCG being used to kickstart the testes it should be easier for the HPTA to recover.

Now that made sense in my head, but I'd certainly be interested in any other views on the subject

Magic Torch · 26-03-2008, 11:23 PM

Thanks mate, I'll take a look over the weekend, and have a think about what I have done in the past.

I'm off to bed now, 5 am start and just done 45mins cardio so need sleep

I'll document my training tomorrow - lets face it that is the fun part!

TH&S · 26-03-2008, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Torch

Thanks mate, I'll take a look over the weekend, and have a think about what I have done in the past.

I'm off to bed now, 5 am start and just done 45mins cardio so need sleep

I'll document my training tomorrow - lets face it that is the fun part!

Day 1: Swimming
Day 2: Swimming Poses
Day 3: G4P
Day 4: Off

Repeat... :love:

Con · 26-03-2008, 11:25 PM

Cool mate i will be following this!

genesis · 26-03-2008, 11:26 PM

Are you going to be putting some pics up mr Torch?
Looking forward to the thread mate ive read quite a few of your posts, even if your training does only consist of a few lengths in the pool every now and then

Magic Torch · 26-03-2008, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con

Cool mate i will be following this!

It'll be good to have your support dude

TH&S you cunit I need to spread some

Genesis: Yes mate, hopefully Sun

wogihao · 26-03-2008, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Torch

I dont really know why this is under Shows, Pros and inspiration, but I didn't know where else to put it.....

I have been around this forum for a couple of years now and it has really helped me in my training and lifting. I have met some good guys through here and a few not so good guys lol, but the one thing its taught me is that good advice is good advice no matter where the source. I was going to just ask Tom to take a look through this and Baz, Big, Ash and David Loydd through email etc, but I thought nah I'll do it on here have them comment and advise so that you all can see it.

I dont just want their advise tho, I want everyone to comment and add to this. Be that 20st mass monsters or guys who have been training 2 weeks, valid points are valid points no matter the source.

I wanna use this to help me focus on what I am doing, I will update it once a week as a minium, maybe daily if I have decent things to add.

Ok, my aim. I want to try and hit 16stone lean, cut and vascular. Then if people think I am ready I may try and do a show - eek!

Today I am around 206 lbs and fairly lean, I am 5'11" before ppl ask lol. I may do some pics at the weekend with Baz on Sunday.

Gear. I am currently using 1gram of Sust a week and have been on for 2 weeks.

I plan on the following:

Weeks 1-8: Sust 250mg/ml 2mls Mon, 2mls Thurs.
Weeks 9-12: Mastron Prop 150mg/ml, Test Prop 100mg/ml, 1ml of each EOD. Also 40mg Anvar ED.
Week 11&12: HCG 1500iu's EOD, 20mg Nolva ED
Week 13-16: RHOM PCT caps.
Week 13-18: IGF 66mcg Training days

I will also run generic blue GH and Slin PWO, 10iu slin and 6iu GH.

My diet is the following, it will be around 4000-4500 Cals a day.

Attachment 13436

Training I will document tomorrow........

Christ on a bike, thats a expensive cycle!

Will be intresting to see how you find it.

Good luck on leaving the pool!

:beer1:

cellaratt · 26-03-2008, 11:31 PM

I'll be willing to throw my 2 cents in every once in awhile...doesn't really mean sh1t, but will come from a differant school of thought anyways...Best of luck...

TH&S · 27-03-2008, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wogihao

Christ on a bike, thats a expensive cycle!

Will be intresting to see how you find it.

Good luck on leaving the pool!

:beer1:

Magic - remember you said before you've no idea where all your money goes.... :rolleye11

Bump for training...

Are you including Tricep Kickbacks and Men's Health reading this time around...? Are you gonna run some of the LA Muscle stuff...? I've heard its teh win!

wogihao · 27-03-2008, 09:37 AM

Jamie - you need food like Burma needs democracy.

5000k, Why not do some extream eating (its fun) you can always cut later + you can get the most out of the meds that your running.

26-03-2008, 10:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Magic Torch UK-M Swimsuit model Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 5,164 Blog Entries: 5	Magic Torch's Training Log I dont really know why this is under Shows, Pros and inspiration, but I didn't know where else to put it..... I have been around this forum for a couple of years now and it has really helped me in my training and lifting. I have met some good guys through here and a few not so good guys lol, but the one thing its taught me is that good advice is good advice no matter where the source. I was going to just ask Tom to take a look through this and Baz, Big, Ash and David Loydd through email etc, but I thought nah I'll do it on here have them comment and advise so that you all can see it. I dont just want their advise tho, I want everyone to comment and add to this. Be that 20st mass monsters or guys who have been training 2 weeks, valid points are valid points no matter the source. I wanna use this to help me focus on what I am doing, I will update it once a week as a minium, maybe daily if I have decent things to add. Ok, my aim. I want to try and hit 16stone lean, cut and vascular. Then if people think I am ready I may try and do a show - eek! Today I am around 206 lbs and fairly lean, I am 5'11" before ppl ask lol. I may do some pics at the weekend with Baz on Sunday. Gear. I am currently using 1gram of Sust a week and have been on for 2 weeks. I plan on the following: Weeks 1-8: Sust 250mg/ml 2mls Mon, 2mls Thurs. Weeks 9-12: Mastron Prop 150mg/ml, Test Prop 100mg/ml, 1ml of each EOD. Also 40mg Anvar ED. Week 11&12: HCG 1500iu's EOD, 20mg Nolva ED Week 13-16: RHOM PCT caps. Week 13-18: IGF 66mcg Training days I will also run generic blue GH and Slin PWO, 10iu slin and 6iu GH. My diet is the following, it will be around 4000-4500 Cals a day. diet.doc Training I will document tomorrow........ __________________ intentionally blank

26-03-2008, 10:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
TH&S 170lbs of NATURAL Muscle. 56lbs of NATURAL Bone (Calcium, Collagen and Marrow), 3lbs of NATURAL Tren, 6lbs of NATURAL Test E, 0.5lbs Pregnant (NATURAL) Womans Urine (To pass the NATURAL Drug Test) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,212	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log Ahhh Magic! I though you mainly did swimming.....? How come PCT starts straight after your last shot of Mast & Prop...? I know the jury is still out on this one... But do you think 1500IU HCG EOD is advisable...? I'd be tempted to drop the dose and then either: Run it at the end of the cycle into the Cycle-PCT gap (see the question above) - as a Pulse to get the Testes kick started Or run it all the way through PCT for 4 weeks But little and often would seem a more sensible choice to me. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. D: 220 \| B: 140 \| S: 210

26-03-2008, 10:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
NeilpWest Has lost alot of muscle mass but is now back on track! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Essex Posts: 936	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log Good luck J, cycle looks good get you well on your way to that stone and abit you need. I prefer to run hcg through the cycle but have done 1500iu shots ew and that was fine.

26-03-2008, 11:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
TH&S 170lbs of NATURAL Muscle. 56lbs of NATURAL Bone (Calcium, Collagen and Marrow), 3lbs of NATURAL Tren, 6lbs of NATURAL Test E, 0.5lbs Pregnant (NATURAL) Womans Urine (To pass the NATURAL Drug Test) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,212	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log Magic - most of my hCG info doesn't apply to PCT. I've got some hCG and TRT info kicking about, but most of the studies I have relate to the use of hCG in women. There are two camps - little and often, or big doses for not very along (along side an AI/SERM) Between 250iu and 500iu seems to be the best bet dosage wise on a EOD/E3D basis. Have a look at this link: http://www.ironlife.com/mag/issue13/crisler.shtml If you are doing the two week pulse, then I've a feeling this should be done after your last shot of Mast/Prop and before your PCT. The Mast/Prop will have some suppression, but the hCG will also suppress you to a degree (in terms of upsetting the HPTA), as its exogenous LH/hCG being used to kickstart the testes. Whereas is you do the hCG after the last shot, while its exogenous LH/hCG being used to kickstart the testes it should be easier for the HPTA to recover. Now that made sense in my head, but I'd certainly be interested in any other views on the subject __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. \| To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. D: 220 \| B: 140 \| S: 210

26-03-2008, 11:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Magic Torch UK-M Swimsuit model Join Date: May 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 5,164 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log Thanks mate, I'll take a look over the weekend, and have a think about what I have done in the past. I'm off to bed now, 5 am start and just done 45mins cardio so need sleep I'll document my training tomorrow - lets face it that is the fun part! __________________ intentionally blank

26-03-2008, 11:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Con ;-) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,430	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log Cool mate i will be following this!

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cellaratt In the Cellar Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: VT, USA Posts: 1,694	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log I'll be willing to throw my 2 cents in every once in awhile...doesn't really mean sh1t, but will come from a differant school of thought anyways...Best of luck... __________________ The little men who live behind my eyes and scream directly at my brain told me to tell you hello. The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance. On the journey of life I choose the psychopath If your not part of the solution than your part of the problem. I'm like a Super Hero with no powers or motivation.

27-03-2008, 09:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
wogihao Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,358	Re: Magic Torch's Training Log Jamie - you need food like Burma needs democracy. 5000k, Why not do some extream eating (its fun) you can always cut later + you can get the most out of the meds that your running.

27-03-2008, 09:40 AM	#15 (permalink)
TH&S 170lbs of NATURAL Muscle. 56lbs of NATURAL Bone (Calcium, Collagen and Marrow), 3lbs of NATURAL Tren, 6lbs of NATURAL Test E, 0.5lbs Pregnant (NATURAL) Womans Urine (To pass the NATURAL Drug Test) Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,212