James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal - Page 26 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

supercell · 16-05-2008, 05:25 PM

No same routine mate, just a different intro.

Started the carb up yesterday lunch time with fewer carbs and awoke at the same weight as last week this morning. However during today the weight has piled on even though I will end up on around 1000g of carbs less than the week before.

I also have a slight spanner in the works, well not spanner as I am looking forward to it. I cant cut my sodium this time as tomorrow lunchtime Nic and I are going out for a meal to celebrate our 5th Wedding anniversary, so it will be interesting what effect this will have on sunday. Thats the great thing about these guest spots even if you do balls it up its not the end of the world, yet you are able to learn a huge amount about how your body responds to different variables.

I'll post a pic tomorrow morning unless its all gone t1ts up

J

martinmcg · 16-05-2008, 05:57 PM

congrats on your anniversery mate , its our 1st this week end too, you probaly find the later sodium drop wont hurt at all , you was lookin real good at MM last sun

supercell · 17-05-2008, 08:11 AM

Thanks Martin. It will be interesting to see. I am keeping the seasoning in today.

These pics were taken this morning. I am weighing around 1lb up from last week but have carbed up on around a third less carbs. For the first half day on thursday they were all simple carbs in the form of vitargo, rice cakes, jam, granola, banana and then oats for the last meal.

Yesterday started with simple carbs again for the first 3 meals and then alternated between sweet tatty/rice and then oats/banana. Today I will play by ear.

James

pitbull · 17-05-2008, 08:34 AM

J
You still got the AM pics the morning of MM you texted me ?

Hard to do a proper comparsion as one is on my phone but you do appear IMO harder and dryer in todays pics then morning of MM !

Get both up on here for a proper look ?

S

supercell · 17-05-2008, 11:52 AM

I'll see if I have the right ones. Here goes....

Very difficult to tell as lighting different and also further away in last weeks shots.

Anyway pleased with still another day of drying out. It could have been SO much worse if I hadn't controlled the rebound well like I did.

J

jjb1 · 17-05-2008, 02:01 PM

you'll have to put an X on the spot to keep the photos the same

wicked symetry!

pitbull · 17-05-2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercell

I'll see if I have the right ones. Here goes....

Very difficult to tell as lighting different and also further away in last weeks shots.

Anyway pleased with still another day of drying out. It could have been SO much worse if I hadn't controlled the rebound well like I did.

J

Yeah i agree now seen them both on here.

And indeed managed the rebound very well.

See you tomorrow buddy

S

Jamma · 18-05-2008, 04:01 PM

James your symmetry is unbelieveable!!!!

tommy y · 18-05-2008, 08:33 PM

hi james, i'm just after a bit of advice. the rebound you talk about after a show is this where you start to hold water the day after. after my show last weekend i put on 16 pound in a day or so. obviously this can only be water?? i have n't changed from my diet and the weight is coming off but i'm still a bit watery in comparison to last weekend!! i've got a show on 25th may then the NABBA britain on 31st an the WFF Universe on the 7th, so any chance you can advise me on how to control this rebound as i would like to hold my condition for those three weeks. thanks tommy

supercell · 19-05-2008, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy y

hi james, i'm just after a bit of advice. the rebound you talk about after a show is this where you start to hold water the day after. after my show last weekend i put on 16 pound in a day or so. obviously this can only be water?? i have n't changed from my diet and the weight is coming off but i'm still a bit watery in comparison to last weekend!! i've got a show on 25th may then the NABBA britain on 31st an the WFF Universe on the 7th, so any chance you can advise me on how to control this rebound as i would like to hold my condition for those three weeks. thanks tommy

I would like to think that I control my rebound fairly well in that its normally only a few pounds that go very quickly.

The reason for rebound is many fold.

1. You drink a lot of fluid up to the show, then you stop and then after you resume NORMAL (lesser) drinking
2. You may or may not have used vitc or a diuretic which you then discontinue
3. You reduce then remove your salt in the last 2 days then put it all back in again after the show.
4. The day after the show and straight after the show, you cheat and eat foods high in simple sugars and salt as well as sat fat.
5. You stop fat burners and T3 meds.

So the logical thing to do is the following.

1. Keep your water intake high (6 litres min) for the following 5 days after.
2. Keep using vitc (at a reduced dose each day) OR if you have used a diuretic halve the amount each day after for 4-5 days
3. Avoid salt in the first few days but then intro slowly. I however for this last guest spot used sodium right up until I stepped on stage so it was never removed and consequently I have had NO rebound from staying high with it.
4 Keep your cheat meal clean and avoid simple sugars. These spike insulin levels and will encourage the body to hold fat and water at an alarming rate.
5. Taper off any t3 med. Not because you need to for your thyroids sake but for your metabolisms sake.

So you can see the best way to avoid is to keep doing what you were doing but slowly phase it out over a 5 days to a week and also keep the cardio going. This encourages the body to expel water and aid the transit of any extra food consumed.

Hope this helps

J

tommy y · 19-05-2008, 04:07 PM

thanks alot james, thats cleared alot of things up for me. much appreciated!!

supercell · 19-05-2008, 06:10 PM

Pleased to help my friend and best of luck over the next few weeks

J

Nine Pack · 19-05-2008, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supercell

I would like to think that I control my rebound fairly well in that its normally only a few pounds that go very quickly.

The reason for rebound is many fold.

1. You drink a lot of fluid up to the show, then you stop and then after you resume NORMAL (lesser) drinking
2. You may or may not have used vitc or a diuretic which you then discontinue
3. You reduce then remove your salt in the last 2 days then put it all back in again after the show.
4. The day after the show and straight after the show, you cheat and eat foods high in simple sugars and salt as well as sat fat.
5. You stop fat burners and T3 meds.

So the logical thing to do is the following.

1. Keep your water intake high (6 litres min) for the following 5 days after.
2. Keep using vitc (at a reduced dose each day) OR if you have used a diuretic halve the amount each day after for 4-5 days
3. Avoid salt in the first few days but then intro slowly. I however for this last guest spot used sodium right up until I stepped on stage so it was never removed and consequently I have had NO rebound from staying high with it.
4 Keep your cheat meal clean and avoid simple sugars. These spike insulin levels and will encourage the body to hold fat and water at an alarming rate.
5. Taper off any t3 med. Not because you need to for your thyroids sake but for your metabolisms sake.

So you can see the best way to avoid is to keep doing what you were doing but slowly phase it out over a 5 days to a week and also keep the cardio going. This encourages the body to expel water and aid the transit of any extra food consumed.

Hope this helps

J

Wise words mate. See you soon.

martinmcg · 19-05-2008, 07:13 PM

defo looked tighter and drier this weekend james ,you gonna keep lean all the way to british now

supercell · 19-05-2008, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martinmcg

defo looked tighter and drier this weekend james ,you gonna keep lean all the way to british now

Hi Martin,

The thing is I only know lean now. For me its not a chore to stay within 6 weeks of show condition. Over the past 18 months I have stayed lean and now my body thrives on it.

I have (in the last 2 weeks) in effect done 2 shows yet I feel absolutely fine and was back doing cardio this morning and a heavy back workout.

I have allowed myself some pasta and a Nandos today but tomorrow I'll be back on a diet of around 250-300 carbs, 300 protein and around 100 fats. This will keep me lean but also is just enough of a surplus to grow very slightly over the coming few months.

I also have the incentive of a guest spot at the end of August at the Kent UKBFF show and also now at the UKBFF Welsh Championships in mid Sept after speaking with Mike tonight.

Some people may think it is unwise to do what will be in effect 5 shows (Arnold and 4 guest spots) this year before the British, but for me its easy. It allows me to trial things that I never would have done before when it 'really' matters yet still show up with a tight and near contest ready physique.

Also just think of all the little rebounds I'll get from regular competing or guesting and how much easier it will be for me to achieve a real grainy dry look for the British this year by staying within striking distance of show condition.

I thrive on it, gain more experience on and off stage and also get to meet a lot of people I would never have had the pleasure of meeting.

Just by turning up in shape for my first guest spot I have secured 2 others after the promoters saw the pics and the condition I will bring.

You have to play the game and make yourself available and put yourself out by dieting and it all keeps your profile high, gaining more support from all areas.

So in answer to your question (after excessive rambling); yes I will be staying lean!!!!

J

16-05-2008, 05:25 PM	#376 (permalink)
supercell Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 1,270	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal No same routine mate, just a different intro. Started the carb up yesterday lunch time with fewer carbs and awoke at the same weight as last week this morning. However during today the weight has piled on even though I will end up on around 1000g of carbs less than the week before. I also have a slight spanner in the works, well not spanner as I am looking forward to it. I cant cut my sodium this time as tomorrow lunchtime Nic and I are going out for a meal to celebrate our 5th Wedding anniversary, so it will be interesting what effect this will have on sunday. Thats the great thing about these guest spots even if you do balls it up its not the end of the world, yet you are able to learn a huge amount about how your body responds to different variables. I'll post a pic tomorrow morning unless its all gone t1ts up J __________________ James Llewellin - A proud member of Team M.P:lift: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Sports Supplements tailored for You www.jamesllewellin.com

16-05-2008, 05:57 PM	#377 (permalink)
martinmcg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ESSEX Posts: 34	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal congrats on your anniversery mate , its our 1st this week end too, you probaly find the later sodium drop wont hurt at all , you was lookin real good at MM last sun

17-05-2008, 08:34 AM	#379 (permalink)
pitbull Gym Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 331	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal J You still got the AM pics the morning of MM you texted me ? Hard to do a proper comparsion as one is on my phone but you do appear IMO harder and dryer in todays pics then morning of MM ! Get both up on here for a proper look ? S

17-05-2008, 02:01 PM	#381 (permalink)
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18-05-2008, 04:01 PM	#383 (permalink)
Jamma Newbie Trainer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Barrow, England Posts: 37	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal James your symmetry is unbelieveable!!!!

18-05-2008, 08:33 PM	#384 (permalink)
tommy y WFF Mr Universe2008 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 143	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal hi james, i'm just after a bit of advice. the rebound you talk about after a show is this where you start to hold water the day after. after my show last weekend i put on 16 pound in a day or so. obviously this can only be water?? i have n't changed from my diet and the weight is coming off but i'm still a bit watery in comparison to last weekend!! i've got a show on 25th may then the NABBA britain on 31st an the WFF Universe on the 7th, so any chance you can advise me on how to control this rebound as i would like to hold my condition for those three weeks. thanks tommy __________________ Lakes Classic Novice&Overall 1st Place NABBA North West Novice 1st Place EFBB North West Under 90KG 2nd Place Novice Mr Britain 2008 WFF Mr Universe Sponsored by K2-Nutrition

19-05-2008, 04:07 PM	#386 (permalink)
tommy y WFF Mr Universe2008 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Warrington Posts: 143	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal thanks alot james, thats cleared alot of things up for me. much appreciated!! __________________ Lakes Classic Novice&Overall 1st Place NABBA North West Novice 1st Place EFBB North West Under 90KG 2nd Place Novice Mr Britain 2008 WFF Mr Universe Sponsored by K2-Nutrition

19-05-2008, 06:10 PM	#387 (permalink)
supercell Getting HUGE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 1,270	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal Pleased to help my friend and best of luck over the next few weeks J __________________ James Llewellin - A proud member of Team M.P:lift: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Sports Supplements tailored for You www.jamesllewellin.com

19-05-2008, 07:13 PM	#389 (permalink)
martinmcg Newbie Trainer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ESSEX Posts: 34	Re: James Llewellin's Off Season Strength and Mass Journal defo looked tighter and drier this weekend james ,you gonna keep lean all the way to british now

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