coco

i like the sound of this workout mate,

its just, you know, how can it possibly work, i cant get my head round it!

ive been blinkered to training one way and its extremley difficult to force yourself to change when your not convinced itll result in growth.

if your doing it mate i know in myself it must work, and id love to try it, its just getting the confidence to try it - im going to do a bit more reading first.

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rightyho

It also relates to a neutral grip where the hand faces inward, as far as I am aware.

Anyway, it was a hands facing in grip to simplify it.

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rightyho

I thought it was a sack of shark-sh1t at first as well mate but everything Ninepack had me doing in prep for my show worked better than expected so I trusted him on it. Got results from day one.

Just started back on the gear but already at the size I'd be at the end of a cycle. Sure, a lot has been a rebound after months of dieting but my training partner is growing like he got plugged into a helium machine, too and he hasn't been on a diet.

It's crazy although I do think that doing it at anything less than 100% utter pukey failure on each set would be a waste of time.

Pics coming soon.

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Nine Pack

What are you afraid of Coco? From what I remember Dorian Yates did reasonably well in BBing so perhaps it's worth a try... Look at it this way, worse case scenario, if it doesn't work, so what? You won't have shrunk unless you deliberately neglect your diet so just ask yourself honestly when was the last time you saw a real, tangible change in your physique? If it's months ago, change something.

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hackskii

It is all about getting proper stimulation (not overtraining and not undertraining) to the muscle, then time off for adaptive recovery.

My training partner didnt grow much at all untill we switched over to the HIT routine.
Now I spend half the time in the gym, and half going to the gym.
Stimulation + rest = growth.

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rightyho

Quads tonight.

Had a chat with Ninepack about various exercises I can do taking into account the knee.

Waiting to get an appointment with Stuart Cosgrove (famous physio and good bodybuilder) so I can have a proper assessment of what is going on with it and a prognosis for training ability.

So, tonight, played it safe and stuck with a very friendly leg press machine I have. Lovely parallelogram design and very smooth action.

Haven't used it since snapping my tendon and only went to 660lb instead of the 1100lb it can hold. Managed a set of 660lb x 8 reps with a single drop to 600lb and a further 2 reps (last one assisted).

Then did a variation on squats and a single set of leg extension to finish off.

Didn't quite tax quads as hard as I'd have liked but am taking no chances until I've seen the physio.

Couple of days off now before getting back to chest and biceps.

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coco

ninepack and hackshii, its probably just my lack of understanding of how to train like this.

ive been training almost 6 years and it salsways been the same, and im still growing, so i guess im afraid of wasted time if i dont grow , because i want to compete again next year. is the grass really greener on the other side?

its really down to lack of knowledge on my part and im rectifying this soon by reading some books on it.

id like to train with someone who already trains this way to kind of show me the ropes so to speak, i guess the fear comes from me not training like i should and therefore wasting my time.

i think ill feel more confident once ive read up more - because i defo want to give it a try at some point.

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martzee

coco believe me it works if you grab the concept of hit training meaning balls to the wall training.after 2 or so months you may feel tired and fatigued as it is a very demanding programe if done correct but yes you should get very good results. back in the 90s we were all training this way early nineties at temple when dorian was mr o, we all followed his training methods and i grew more in 1 yr more than i did in my whole time training.I will say it works better for some than others so once again its a matter of what works for you! good luck you have nothing to lose!!!!

carl20

this training method seems to be causing a stir, surely it is still about periodisation, for instance 2 months of the hit you are doing followed by 2 months GVT for optimal results??

btw keith, thanks for the help

Nine Pack

:confused: Why on earth do you assume that? Short answer being no, it isn't.

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carl20

from what i have read it appeared to me that periodisation was the best key to growth, from strength training to recruit more fibres to hypertrophy training...... and from low volume to high volume and back again.

less demanding training followed by training with forced reps, drop sets and negatives ect....

please explain why it isnt a good idea

Nine Pack

You've been suckered into the endurance/strength/hypertrophy phase pyramid thinking I'm afraid. I work on what I refer to as an integrated phase approach, whereby you stimulate all the responses as you go along. This is done by variations in the tempo, rep range etc of the warm up sets, then focusing on growth for the working set. Having said that, my method for a drop set will stimulate a good strength response too, as I use a weight that I can only do 4 strict reps with, then drop to a slightly smaller weight which allows only another few reps. This leaves the total reps at the 6-8 range & you get the best of both worlds.

Why would you use less demanding training? The body is not being challenged so will not adapt, so why waste your time. Every 12 weeks or so, take a full week or two away from training to allow cumulative stress on the nervous & endocrine systems to subside then get back on with it.

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rightyho

And the above does work cos I'm making the gains of a lifetime on it. Feel so pumped, full, etc all the time and energy levels are high constantly.

Only thing I have noticed is an increased need for sleep - quite an increase actually but I attribute that to growing.

Yesterday was a snooze and sleepfest - from 4pm until 9am this morning - only got up every 2.5 hours for a wee and some more protein.

A lad who was 5% bigger than me before I started my diet and subsequent post-diet "regrowth" is now 5% smaller than me and he's been consistent.

Back, in particular, is growing at a silly rate.

Really wish I'd bumped into Ninepack years ago. (If you have that phone pic I sent to you can you bung it on here mate - the rear splat spread? Don't have the upload disc for my mate's phone this end).

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Paul/Righty - I'd like to read/know more about this method of training, anything online you could recommend. It's chest and bicep day tomorrow, can you suggest a routine to follow please ? I do understand the basics but would like to follow a Janet and John routine if thats ok.

Mark.