Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! - Page 5 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

DannyBoy81 · 20-02-2007, 03:45 PM

Meddling kids lol sorry old man ! :smoke:

Come on then Nine, now i foiled ur plans !!!! What do you recon run come test cyp on its on combined with the other stuff i'm gonna be running... mainly being eq & test -e ? was hoping the eq was gonna help with the healing process.

Nine Pack · 20-02-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

What Paul your testicles?:rolleye11

Yes Hack, the atrophy has gone & my nuts can press much more weight now. :tongue10:

Danny,
I'm a believer in trying one thing at once to be honest. I think it's difficult to accurately say what's actually working when you have so many things in the mix at once.

I've done very well on the cyp, I have even reduced the frequency of shots now & still seem to be getting stronger & growing well. I did start by using GH & DBol but quickly realised it was too much so stripped it back to the basics.

DannyBoy81 · 20-02-2007, 04:32 PM

Yeah Very good point......... like getting perscribed 3 different meds for an illness and then not knowing what ones actually working the best. Looks like i'll be keeping it simple for now then and will def be looking at getting some Cpy if i'm still getting problems after my 1st lot.

How long you cycling it for ? Can it just be run on its own ?

Nine Pack · 20-02-2007, 06:10 PM

Sure, any gear can be run as a stand alone provided you know how long it is active for & keep the dosage frequent enough for that drug. People forget that all steriods are basically testosterone. We don't have receptors for sus, some for deca, some for cyp etc. They all hit the same receptors so why complicate things?

I don't pretend to be a gear expert as I have only ever used piffling doses but I know that less is usually more.

DannyBoy81 · 08-03-2007, 12:39 PM

Hey guys just thought i'd give you an update....

Since I've started on the Test & Eq abt 3 weeks into it and my shoulder feels so much better, it feels 100% but i'm taking it easy managed 12 reps @ 75kg which I'm quite please with considering I havent done flat bench propper for 3 months or so..... but not going too deep dont wanna agravate it just incase.

But its amazing how much the stuff has helped, real improvement just wanted to put this up incase someone else is looking for advice on if steroid help with injuries, I think its the EQ i chcuked in for good good measure rather than gains.

Nine Pack · 08-03-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyBoy81

Hey guys just thought i'd give you an update....

Since I've started on the Test & Eq abt 3 weeks into it and my shoulder feels so much better, it feels 100% but i'm taking it easy managed 12 reps @ 75kg which I'm quite please with considering I havent done flat bench propper for 3 months or so..... but not going too deep dont wanna agravate it just incase.

But its amazing how much the stuff has helped, real improvement just wanted to put this up incase someone else is looking for advice on if steroid help with injuries, I think its the EQ i chcuked in for good good measure rather than gains.

Oh dear god, you're not doing flat bench again are you? :withstupi

DannyBoy81 · 09-03-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine Pack

Oh dear god, you're not doing flat bench again are you? :withstupi

I take it thats a stupid thing for me to do then !!! :( i thought shoulder press would have been worse, it felt ok to do.....

does that mean i have to avoid it all together ?

Nine Pack · 09-03-2007, 11:59 AM

Flat benching offers no extra potential for pec growth than inclines or declines, but it dramatically increases the chance of injury. It's only worth doing if it is something required for powerlifting competition IMO.

I'm opening a gym soon, and can confidently say there won't be a flat barbell bench in the place. I can't stop people doing flat dumb bell presses, but it's a step in the right direction.

Mr fixit · 09-03-2007, 09:44 PM

Hi Rotator cuff injuries are complexed and firstly you need to rest. Made up of the Subscapularis, Supraspinatus, Infraspinatus and Teres minor, collectively deliver rotation and pulls the raised arm downwards, assists in Deltoid abduction, backward extension and arm adduction. The muscle cream Percutane works very well along with (once healed) specific Rotator cuff strength exercises. Email if you require further information.

**hackskii** · 09-03-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr fixit

The muscle cream Percutane works very well along with (once healed) specific Rotator cuff strength exercises.

I have never heard of this muscle cream, can you elaborate some?

Mr fixit · 10-03-2007, 07:34 AM

Hi, I shall do better than that, send your name and postal details and I shall send you some. Details can also be found at www.nuexcom.co.uk

Nine Pack · 10-03-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nine Pack

Danny,
Our HSA cover does cover pre existing conditions, provided you are not already recieving NHS 'In Patient' care, I imagine that means if you are in hospital already. Have a look online as when you join on the net, they may be able to waive the 3 month qualifying period before you can claim.

On the subject of the rotator cuff, here's some info I gave a guy on the CNP forum recently. it's a little late in the discussion I know but still relevant:

The rotator cuff consists of the infraspinatus, supraspinatus, Teres Minor & Subscapularis muscles. The Rotator Cuff muscles (R.C) serve to maintain stability in the joint (amongst other functions) and to prevent the larger muscles from dislocating the humerus during thier actions.
Trouble starts when the deltoids get proportionately stronger than the R.C muscles, which reduces the gap between the proximal head of the humerus & socket in the scapula (called the sub acromial space). This gap is needed to allow free movement of the tendons as the shoulder goes through it's full range of motion. This means that the tendons of the R.C muscles get 'impinged' during most movements.

Left unchecked, this will rarely sort itself out as repeated movements will only serve to further inflame the tendons as they are dragged through the reduced sub acromial space. This will eventually lead to a tear in one of the tendons which will almost always require surgery.

Is it me, or do we seem to be going round in a loop on this one? Mr Fixit has the A & P right, but IMO, any topical cream can only serve to act as a lubricant and the massage of the area is doing the real work as few substances can penetrate transdermally to a deep lying tissue like the RC. I have never treated an RC injury with massage myself.

DannyBoy81 · 12-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Hey nine,

What would be the best exercises to get a big chest with min chance of injur to my shoudler again ? Just wanan get some size to the front of me now as my back is comming along.

Nine Pack · 12-03-2007, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyBoy81

Hey nine,

What would be the best exercises to get a big chest with min chance of injur to my shoudler again ? Just wanan get some size to the front of me now as my back is comming along.

Incline dumb bell press my friend, there's no substitute IMO. Here's a sample chest workout:

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Warm up/pre exhaust on cable crossovers: 3 sets of 12-15 light, no real fatigue, just get blood flowing & lubricate shoulder joint*
Tip:Stand in the middle holding handles & then walk straight forward three or four feet to flatten the cable angle out a bit & do the exercise there.*
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Incline dumb bells: 2 sets 10-15 up to 60% of last set weight
1 set to failure 6-8 reps (maybe 1 or 2 forced reps).
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Decline Press: 1 set 10-15 up to 60% final set weight
1 set to failure 6-8 reps
(use a hammer machine or whatever you have)
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Incline Dumb bell flyes*: 1 set 60% working weight
1 set to failure 6-8
*if sufficiently warm, drop the first set of flyes & just hit the failure set*
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Stick a fork in you, you're done. :p

DannyBoy81 · 12-03-2007, 05:41 PM

Thanks for that nine, i'll try and give it a go later on.....

20-02-2007, 03:45 PM	#61 (permalink)
DannyBoy81 Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 350	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Meddling kids lol sorry old man ! :smoke: Come on then Nine, now i foiled ur plans !!!! What do you recon run come test cyp on its on combined with the other stuff i'm gonna be running... mainly being eq & test -e ? was hoping the eq was gonna help with the healing process.

20-02-2007, 04:32 PM	#63 (permalink)
DannyBoy81 Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 350	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Yeah Very good point......... like getting perscribed 3 different meds for an illness and then not knowing what ones actually working the best. Looks like i'll be keeping it simple for now then and will def be looking at getting some Cpy if i'm still getting problems after my 1st lot. How long you cycling it for ? Can it just be run on its own ?

20-02-2007, 06:10 PM	#64 (permalink)
Nine Pack Shouldn't be let out loose.... Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,721	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Sure, any gear can be run as a stand alone provided you know how long it is active for & keep the dosage frequent enough for that drug. People forget that all steriods are basically testosterone. We don't have receptors for sus, some for deca, some for cyp etc. They all hit the same receptors so why complicate things? I don't pretend to be a gear expert as I have only ever used piffling doses but I know that less is usually more. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ''I reject your reality and substitute my own'' Adam Savage.

08-03-2007, 12:39 PM	#65 (permalink)
DannyBoy81 Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 350	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Hey guys just thought i'd give you an update.... Since I've started on the Test & Eq abt 3 weeks into it and my shoulder feels so much better, it feels 100% but i'm taking it easy managed 12 reps @ 75kg which I'm quite please with considering I havent done flat bench propper for 3 months or so..... but not going too deep dont wanna agravate it just incase. But its amazing how much the stuff has helped, real improvement just wanted to put this up incase someone else is looking for advice on if steroid help with injuries, I think its the EQ i chcuked in for good good measure rather than gains.

09-03-2007, 11:59 AM	#68 (permalink)
Nine Pack Shouldn't be let out loose.... Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,721	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Flat benching offers no extra potential for pec growth than inclines or declines, but it dramatically increases the chance of injury. It's only worth doing if it is something required for powerlifting competition IMO. I'm opening a gym soon, and can confidently say there won't be a flat barbell bench in the place. I can't stop people doing flat dumb bell presses, but it's a step in the right direction. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ''I reject your reality and substitute my own'' Adam Savage.

09-03-2007, 09:44 PM	#69 (permalink)
Mr fixit Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 48	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Hi Rotator cuff injuries are complexed and firstly you need to rest. Made up of the Subscapularis, Supraspinatus, Infraspinatus and Teres minor, collectively deliver rotation and pulls the raised arm downwards, assists in Deltoid abduction, backward extension and arm adduction. The muscle cream Percutane works very well along with (once healed) specific Rotator cuff strength exercises. Email if you require further information.

10-03-2007, 07:34 AM	#71 (permalink)
Mr fixit Newbie Trainer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 48	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Hi, I shall do better than that, send your name and postal details and I shall send you some. Details can also be found at www.nuexcom.co.uk

12-03-2007, 03:02 PM	#73 (permalink)
DannyBoy81 Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 350	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Hey nine, What would be the best exercises to get a big chest with min chance of injur to my shoudler again ? Just wanan get some size to the front of me now as my back is comming along.

12-03-2007, 05:41 PM	#75 (permalink)
DannyBoy81 Gym Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Middlesex Posts: 350	Re: Injury Advice - Rotator Cuff !!! Thanks for that nine, i'll try and give it a go later on.....

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