Stanco

Cavemen (from which we evolved) ate an estimated 17% Protein, hunting succesfully, infrequently. The majority of their diet was foraged fruit, nuts, seeds as all hunter gatherers were.

astro_warp

Same answer as before really. Do I think not eating carbs will kill you...well no probably not....but does that mean its good for people...I dont think so. I'd like to see more data on eskimos and the differences to western diet / genetics before I make my mind up on that one. Low carb is very diferent to no carb imo

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thestudbeast

I did not mention protein in my statement as my point was about fat as a feul source over carbs, which without grains would have been much lower than our present diet, hence fat would of had to of been used for the primary fuel source.

DaPs

What i was trying to get at by saying cutting a food source out of your diet completely cannot be good in the long term is true.

In the western world we are all used to eating carbs/fats and proteins so cutting carbs out will make you feel not so good.

The fact that the body doesn't need carbs isn't a disputed one, but who here wants to live on purely fat and protein? If we did for along period of time we would end up feeling a little worse for wear.

The thing is, it is not about the fact that our body does not need carbohydrate, it is that we eat carbs day in day out and if they were cut out of our diet all-together; we would feel like **** after a certain time.

It can cause a whole range of symptoms which no one would really want.

That is the fact of modern life, it's just like saying you can live without any legs, yes that is true, but why would you want to?

ah24

Daps, just give up, im not into the whole ganging up on one member thing but what you say just dont make sense. We all now that nowadays we consume a lot of carbs, but where do you get the idea we'd feel worse for wear?! Sure weak minded people would miss them but thats it. Most people find once their in ketosis they feel great.

It's the last bit i high-lighted in bold that makes you look like your clueless and just writing any old nonsense to try and get somewhere in this debate - which hasnt worked.

A 'whole range of symptoms' riiiight ok...care to elaborate as what symptoms these are? It's just like saying a computer will give us a whole range of symptoms if taken away. Their not essential, but their part of our everyday life now and would be an inconvenience if cut out.

I see what toxic means with the fish riding the bike thing now:crazy:

As for the legs thing, no you wouldnt want to. But thats not the argument is it, your saying you cant or shouldnt cut carbs out.

ParaManiac

Daps,never mind legs,what i want to know is- how you live without a brain?

DaPs

Well why don't you all give up on carbs then? If your so happy to defend the point that we don't need them in our diet.

Essential vitamins and nutrients come from a balanced diet and low carbohydrate diets are certainly not balanced. You can only get many essential nutrients from fruit, vegetables and grains - low carb diets only allow very small amounts of fruit and veg - definitely not enough to give you your recommended daily allowance. The Atkin's diet claims to clear up all manner of ailments, but the bottom line is these diets are lacking in nutrients essential for good health and the high level of protein puts a huge strain on your kidneys.

That is the fact.



Paramaniac, just stick to the subject at hand instead of saying stupid things like that.

hackskii

Bang on with this post.
The agricultural age that changed our ways of eating due to feeding larger populations.

Off topic here but here goes.
Eskimo’s example is a very good and valid one.
Over 100 years ago they put children that were epileptic on ketogenic diets, and have many studies to prove that even up to two years on no carbs didn’t hinder health.
To this day when seizures can’t be controlled with anti-seizure medications they still put the epileptics on ketogenic diets.
I know friends on Atkins type diets that stay on for very long periods of time and do not suffer ill effects.

The problem with high fat diets is when you have high carbs in there, this is not a good thing.

You do not have to have carbs in any form in order to function, fat is actually a very efficient source of fuel, once carbs are eliminated ketones come into play and can supply the body with all the fuel it needs.

The body can store only so much energy from carbohydrates in muscle and liver, once exhausted you are spent. But if you can tap onto the body's fat stores you can have almost an unlimited supply of fat for fuel.
I am a firm believer this is why keto diets are so helpfull due to it switching from sugar burning to fat burning.

There are more societies that were very low carb that lived just fine.
Paleolithic man was strong and muscular and wasnt into high carb.

Once the switch to ketones turns on I feel better with more energy than carbs, I just dont have the stamina when training which is to be expected.

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ParaManiac

You started it,ya balloon! now do yourself a favour and stop putting yourself up for ridicule.

DaPs

Well what i am saying isn't completely stupid.

A balanced diet is considered a healthy diet.

A no carb diet means no fruit or veg at the very least. Saying if it was good enough for cavemen it's good enough for us is just stupid.

Yes it is good for eskimos, but were not bloody eskimos are we?

I'll finish now because iti s way off topic.

toxictoffee

lol

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hackskii

Here is a snip from a very sharp dude that was trained by Vince Gironda and the only certified trainer for Vinces work.

Read this carefully and pick up on what is being said, many times logic just does not fit, but many times our outside influences slant the way we think.
Many people eat too many carbohydrates that are processed, they are junk foods, check out what is being said below, it will surprise you, also based on a true story.

Just to show you how ignorant medical doctors are, and just how little they know about nutrition and the human body, I got into an argument at a party with a doctor who told me that you must consume fiber in order to have a bowel movement, and, if you don’t have carbohydrates, your brain cannot function. I told him the story of when I lived on the farm where an American Plains Indian, Indian Joe, worked for my grandfather in return for food and shelter. The Indian never ate anything but meat. When my grandparents would slaughter a steer or a hog, they would put it in the cellar and Indian Joe would go down and eat it. He never ate fruits or vegetables. I asked this doctor how it was that Indian Joe could live to be 115 years old and survive without carbohydrates, and how could the Indian have had a bowel movement without fiber? I told this doctor that I would explain it to him since he didn’t seem to know. By eating too much fiber, you can “overfiberize”, and you can actually weaken your colon. You weaken the muscles of your colon to move the waste out. If you want to push the waste out and you don’t eat fiber, you do that by properly digesting the food you eat, which most Americans don’t do resulting in acid reflex. I explained to the doctor that when a person eats protein, the digested protein goes into the liver and the liver promptly converts the digested protein to amino acids, which are the building blocks of the body, and they go into his blood stream and then, on command from the brain, which subsists on glucose, amino acids are converted to glucose. This doctor did not know that. Most doctors do not know much about the human body and nutritional functions. They are basically trained to diagnose a disease and then give you a drug to suppress the symptoms of your so-called disease. They have no idea what causes the disease. For example: arthritis – they state that there is no known cause and no known cure. A chiropractor knows more about nutrition and the muscular skeletal structure of the human body than a medical doctor does and many medical doctors will even admit that. Natural holistic doctors know what causes diseases, but it is against the law to say it! Is Hitler still alive?

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hackskii

The article is very long but I can post it or give links, he is a good writer.

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DaPs

I'm confused with why he said ''is hitler still alive?'' at the end? :crazy:

astro_warp

Suppression of the truth

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