thestudbeast

TT don't you think your time would be better spent arguing with someone else, it's like watching a cat toy with a dying mouse.

toxictoffee

its a debate

i am just interested as to where the blanket statements come from

here is another one which wasnt backed up

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/diets-nut...tml#post305315

again i asked the question

IMO its fine to make the blanket statements to family members and friends who are uneducated but for those who are in the know and those looking to enhance their knowldged it needs clearing up

similar to me sayin

"all people who smoke will die of cancer"
"everyone who has ever had alcohol will be an alcoholic"

etc etc

if you are going to make a statement, back it up with something of worth IMO

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actin

Totally O/T but I love your sig TT. I'm PMSL here at it

astro_warp

Seems acne CAN be caused by diet to some extent (90% of people) and partly by hormones (in 10% of people).

Wont post whole article:

Diets rich in fat or diets lacking any fat at all are both bad for acne conditions, as both conditions alter sebum production processes greatly. Some fat in your diet is necessary for the vitamins' absorption. But high fat content increases oil levels in and on the skin (sebum), which increases bacterial growth. Also, the rich Western diet increases sex hormones, which explain precocious puberty in boys and girls. Excess male hormones are well-known to cause and worsen acne by increasing sebum production.

Acne is also promoted by the lack of antioxidants and plant-derived nutrients. These are essential in keeping the skin healthy. High fat diets cause poor blood circulation, making skin susceptible to acne.

People suffering from acne should avoid sugar and sugary foods such as soft drinks, jams, many cereals, biscuits and cakes. They should refrain from eating food containing white flour such as bread, pasta, biscuits and pastries. Chemical additives in canned food are also harmful for acne conditions. Fried, fatty and processed food should be avoided to save the skin and digestive system from toxins getting produced during metabolism. Acne patients should not smoke at all.

Source: http://www.acne-resource.org/underst.../dietrole.html

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ah24

No-body said it didnt did they? We said protein can't give you acne - which i still stand by. It's the additives, flavourings, sweetners etc that certain brands add that could cause problems.

astro_warp

Suprisingly enough that was my point.

In other words, what Daps said was correct....

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chrisj22

Exactly. Daps has been saying that from the very beginning of the thread.

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DaPs

THANK YOU! I get absolutely blasted by toxic for nothing.

Thanks for mentioning that...

toxictoffee

lol

this gets even better

now look at my first post in this thread, i have stated dairy products may cause acne in those prone

what DaPs has stated is not related to dairy or whey at all, its a 'guess' at when additives are found in whey thats "where problems begin" which is factually incorrect

many people can have bad reactions to almost any food, what this has got to do with universal statements is what i am asking yet dont have an answer yet

what you have stated DaPs is factually incorrect and you couldnt and still cannot back up what you are saying,

ps - please respond to the atkins thread i posted above with your knowledge on that topic too, which again is very limited

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Magic Torch

Even if he was correct, he did not post his source.......the text you posted you linked back...

I think this was the point

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hackskii

What is skin?
It is the largest organ in the body.
A dirty colon can cause skin problems.
Steroids can promote acne.
Puperty can promote acne.
Hell, Id be willing to bet stress can to some degree cause acne.
Not bathing probably can as well.

For one thing, I dont agree with all the shakes in the first place.
If it is excessive shakes problem is solved by only having one a day or so.
I totally feel and always have and repeat this regularly that whole foods over processed foods any day.
Whole proteins over processed ones.
I have one shake a day after training, not every day, once in a while.

I think many people eat too much protein or put too high an emphisis on protein and disregard the other macros.

Some people are prone to acne and some arnt.
Some people can have milk based products and some cant.

Many times when the skin acts up it is an indication of something else.
Treating the symptom might not treat the cause.

My feet act up in regards to d-bol, my athletes foot gets way worse, sure it is a combination of moisture and fungus but if I take alot of pro-biotics this helps big time to fight yeast. I dont have the luxery of going barefoot to keep the feet dry as I do have sweaty palms and feet
But I can treat the cause which lessens the symptoms.

I don't doubt that additives are not conducive to good health.
I feel there is too much crap in processed foods anyway which makes me stand even stronger in the defence of whole foods.

Whether or not whey causes acne is uncertain, but I bet if you are prone to it then adding more might make matters worse.

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astro_warp

Its not factually incorrect at all. I'll source the data when I have time, but I'd bet that whilst anyone can get acne from certain foods, chemical flavourings/colourings would be more likely to cause acne. In fact the article I included pretty much says this.

I've yet to see any sourced data from you on acne reactions to whey without additive and with additives, so why not post some so we can all see the "facts".

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astro_warp

Maybe so, but I think it would be more helpful to share information rather than just go all out to make someone look stupid.

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toxictoffee

should i stop eating nuts astro warp?

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astro warp

daps was making sweeping statements without thinking...he was just posting a little too hastilly...daps ;)

no one is saying he is wrong....additives CAN cause problems, but not in everyone

i feel toxic was merely asking for some REAL eveidence, as it would seem he was saying that anyone taking in these additives will respond badly

i am not having a pop at daps in anyway, but even i can see that his posts here could confuse/scare someone that isnt as in the know as he is

toxic was encouraging debate to stimulate educational info...

....thats his nature, bloody know it all he is!!! lol :tongue10:

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