SportDr

Probably doesn't affect you Paul as you appear to have your fingers in more pies than Mrs Miggins, but on the extreme website they are offering their products at £10 more per tub than most of their suppliers?? They do give you a free shaker worth £3 though, I just find that odd?

On a price comparison with Boditronics, they pretty much all charge the same, except one major sporty website, clearly aimed at young athletes, where they charge much more than anyone else which I find a little disconcerting, especially when they are selling to kids.

Recieved my Boditronics samples this morning and will try them out today, cant wait!

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Pscarb

but with the 25% discount you get for being a member of this board it works out at approx £30 for the 5lb tub if it was that price to everyone what benefit would you guys have

I know it is a cliche but i used Extreme products years before i was sponsored by them i swapped from CNP pro-peptide to Extreme Protein initially because of value for money as it is pretty much the same (Blended protein) which i prefer.....

every now and again i do like to try new products to see what results they give and what the taste is like.....

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i use extreme and phd, i like both but def think the phd tastes better.

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In that case request a sample from us I think you will be surprised

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where is milk sourced from for the extreme and boditronics whey protein? are they happy cows ? when we pay more for other products are we getting a less denatured product?

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SportDr

Whey from free range or organic cows...now there is a niche in the market surely, I always buy organic dairy.

Tried my Boditronics samples yesterday:

Chocolate: Tried mixing it with skimmed milk using a fork first but it failed the fork test miserably, but then few wheys I have tried pass this except some isolates. Using a hand blender it mixed no problem. Noticed straight away that it smelt a little of bananas? On tasting it, it was very pleasant, creamy, smooth and well mixed but it tasted also like chocolate & a hint of banana. I gave some to jess and without my observations she too said 'is this chocolate banana?' This isn't a crtiscism as it was very pleasant but if you don't like chocolate banana you may not like this. Not sure if there was contamination in the batch but as a suggestion for future flavours chocolate & banana is a winner! cant understand why I haven't thought of it before lol

Strawberry: Mixed this in a shaker with water, it mixed very well leaving no powder in the bottom of the cup at all. Again it was creamy and tasted like strawberry laces. Just like the chocloate it wasn't too sweet either and had no aftertaste, probably due to using no artificial sweeteners such as carcinogenic neuro-toxin Aspartame. Boditronics use surcalose (splenda) and dextrose, which for me is a major selling point. Colour was a pale pink, not flourescent barbie pink that makes it look like cough medicine. Only problem is the taste was very weak, I did over-dilute it to be fair (though the sample packet doesn't say how much fluid to add) but even then it was like a milk shake with a hint of strawberry, still it was pleasant tasting and at the right dilution probably even better.

Vanilla: As above, mixed well with skimmed milk, creamy, no powderiness. Vanilla flavour was not over-powering and tasted like natural vanilla pods. I usually dread vanilla as its too sweet but this one was fine.

Overall: Excellent samples Boditronics, flavours need a little work (try BSN syntha 6 yummy!) but the whey mixes well and is creamy. It has no chemical aftertastes and uses natural sweetners, stabilisers and colours. When I drank these I also got no bloating so I feel they are low in lactose. If it came from happy cows too it would be spot on.

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Karl(Reflex)

Sucralose is an artifical sweetener!

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Karl have Reflex got any plans to so samples of their products one Stop..Growth matrix..Instant Whey etc..

Karl(Reflex)

Yes and no. Its something we would love to do but as you may or may not know we manufacture most of our products ourselves and not hire a third party contract packer! Doing runs of samples is pretty labour intensive and at the moment the factory is running at full steam ahead, as soon as one mix is out, the next goes in and thats with two blenders!

We have some pretty big expansion plans a foot and believe me i will be pushing for them (like i have been)!

SportDr

Taken literally then yes its manufactured, therfore artificial but unlike aspartame etc it is made from sugar and as yet isn't a proven neuro-toxin.

As you don't use Aspartame yourselves what sweetener do you use?

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I'd like to enquire about the claim Boditronics whey/casein blend can support 20% more muscle gains, is there any scientific evidence to support this or is it based on anecdotal evidence?

Also was the evidence (anecdotal or actual product trials) carried out on humans, mice or rats and where were the studies conducted and by who?

I personally think "BS" when I hear any of these Muscletech type claims unless there is real world evidence to support it so would love to see the evidence for this.

Sport Dr, it think comparing Syntha 6 to most products is unfair because its protein content is so low, I know I can make our products taste better if I increase carbs and fats too (it would also lower production costs!) but in my opinion if you want to improve the taste of your protein add some strawberries or mix with milk (personally I use goats or soya due to a dairy allergy). You can improve taste very cheaply if prepared to lower the actual protein content but why pay extra to buy a low protein product which you could improve the taste of cheaply on your own.

Baggio, I think you'll find many of the companies source their whey from the same producers but its a bit like a car, they are all made from metal and plastic but its what the manufacturers do with the raw materials when they get it (think Daewoo and Aston Martin). Its how you use the raw materials and how you mix them together that determines the end product.

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hi Dougie
It is not a study we have made up or commisioned but has been published recently , it has been in several mainstream mags as well .. When I get back into the office next week I will post a link you to read it ..



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Baggio

thanks for your reply on that one mate, im assuming you all cold process your whey. my thinking on this came to light after i read an article by the man himself Paul Chek on whey protein. he talks about how even the pasturisation of milk denatures the amino acids, but i dont think they even sell unpasturised milk in th uk!

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SportDr

I wasn't comparing BT's samples to Syntha 6, I was stating that Syntha 6 was a product I had used which was particularly delicious. If that is due to inferior ingredients then its up to you the manufacturer to come up with a flavouring method that can compete without compromising quality...or not

As a layman, I thought it possible that Syntha 6 flavouring system could just be better, as it wasn't the sweetness or creaminess I prefered, it was the flavour of the strawberry for example, it tasted like the real thing and that is exactly what I as a consumer am looking for, but not at the compromise of quality, hence why I have ordered from BT this weekend!

I am surprised to hear a protein supplier suggesting I add strawberries etc to protein, that would affect its portability if nothing else, do you not have faith in your flavouring system?

If you want a fair comparison, I would compare Boditronics Express Whey samples to your own Extreme Protein samples that I also tried recently, you were a little more generous on the number of samples sent 5 compared to 3 but BT sent more flavours.

Both have similar ingredients being whey blends, Per 100g: Protein BT 73, E 76, Fat BT 8g, E 4.2g, Carbs BT 14g, E 5.8g, Sodium BT 14mg, E 30mg

BT's Protein comes from Whey Isolate, Concentrate and Casien, wheras Extremes comes from Whey Concentrate, Wheat Concentrate, Soya Isolate and Casien.

Flavour wise they were very similar, as they were in texture and mixability, very little difference. Extremes Strawberry was slightly stronger than the BT sample I had but the Chocolate was almost identical. Flavourings were listed by BT but Extreme had only listed Lecithin, an egg derivative, which is an emulsifier and not I thought a flavouring, but I could be wrong! Both are natural anyway.

Sweeteners used by BT are dextrose and Sucralose (splenda), Extreme used Acesulfame K

Stabilisers used by BT were Citric acid and E uses Xanthan Gum which would add viscosity (thickening) to the shake.

Both used natural colourings.

Looking at this information Extreme whey has the better macro profile, being higher in protein and lower in carbs and fat, however the extra fat in Express Whey was added intentionally in the form of MCT's, which are a fat used to help in some weight loss programmes, their addition here may be for another purpose such as flavour though, as the dose isn't high enough to have a weight loss effect.

Extreme has double the sodium listed in Express Whey but its still a very small amount.

I prefer Sucralose used by BT over Acesulfame both aren't technically natural but Acesulfame has had more of the scientific community worried about cancer risk, and If I am drinking this 3 times per day I want to know its safe.

Extreme used an interesting blend of proteins, whey, wheat and Soya, not the usual milk based proteins which BT used probably to keep Lactose low, thing is I trust milk protein and I am not lactose intolerant, soya went out of vogue some time ago, especially when health scares emerged about its usage. Nine pack for one wont touch Soya. Regardless of source, both proteins have all 22 amino acids however, in differing quantities.

Personally I feel safer with the BT product Express Whey, its ingredients are ones which I feel I can trust, the macros aren't quite as impressive as extremes but put in perspective at 3 shakes a day all you are adding is an extra 4g of fat and 8g of carbs over the whole day and as the two products taste, look, textured similar and are similarily priced this is the only distinction I can make. If however youa re lactose intolerant, Extreme whey may be better for you coming from wheat and soya, alternatively just take digestive enzymes containing Lactase with your shakes.

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Sport Dr, what I meant is that becuase Syntha 6 has a greater fat + carb content it will be easier to flavour. I think the blend of proteins is good, there products are good quality if somewhat expensive. Maybe I misread your post I thought you were saying Syntha was what we should aspire to.

The reason I suggested strawberries is becuase you had mentioned you wanted a stronger flavouring like in Syntha, personally I want a supp with a good amino acid profile and as high in protein as possible without being heavy on couloring and artificial ingredients and strawberries are ultra low in calories and wont interfere with digestion.

"Soya went out of vogue sometime ago" you said, who with? The whole theory behind our supplements is that its the overall nutrients provided by the blend rather than the individual ingredient and with the soya we wanted the aminos acids left in soya protein isolate to contribute to the overall package.

I'm intolerant to milk, eggs, wheat, buckwheat, gluten and yeast so I do pay attention to allergens when designing the products so produce stuff people with similar intolerances to me can use.

We have a lady (Wendy Newman) who is one of our supported athletes, we agreed to do a deal for Wendy after she'd been using our products for over a year and she had referred a lot of new clients to us from the gym she trains in. Wendy has loads of food intolerances and is very limited in what she can actually use so she's been well pleased since starting using Extreme because it doesn't upset her tum, cause bloating or cause water retention.

She was worried because she has dairy and wheat intolerances too but because its only part of the original source we use (e.g. wheat protein concentrate) she, like me, is fine with our products.

For a while other companies slagged off soya, wheat and other non milk based ingredients but if you now look at companies like VPX and ON they are also including these alleged "poorer protein sources" in there products because they all seem to be coming round to the idea of blends and the benefits multi sources do actually offer.

With regards to soya, did you know that the FDA in America allow you to say on your products that soya has been proven to reduce certain types of heart trouble? I think if you look hard enough you'll find scientific evidence to support and criticise pretty much everything, many companies use extracts of scientific literature to make their product seem like the Holy Grail and all others are pants, its all just marketing in most cases.

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