Pscarb

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  1. yea could you imagine that lol
  2. you saved yourself a mouth full of the foulest tasting crap ever lol (i actually have a tub at home with one serving taken out of it
  3. thing is with your example if taken with 6g of Whey you would have the other Amino acids Isoleucine and Valine from what i have read they need to be present but not at a particular dose for the Leucine amino to trigger MPS through mTor? so by adding Leucine to a sub-optimal protein meal wouldnt it increase the MPS compared to just have the meal itself?
  4. yes agree with this and i would rather eat protein than supplement with powdered Leucine but i think Leucine itself can trigger MPS
  5. not a dumb question at all mate, Leucine can be supplemented with meals with a low protein content or protein sources that are low in leucine. if you have never had Leucine powder then i must warn you it tastes rank (really bad)
  6. There is a ceiling its just it is a little fuzzy to what that exactly is, grams of protein is misleading as the source and how Leucine enriched that source is plays a big role in the ceiling, steroids will increase MPS by approx 27% but this increase does not need more protein. so someone saying 50, 60 or 70g of protein is needed that would depend totally on the leucine content of that source of protein
  7. the study i posted in my recent reply was looking at MPS in trained people using steroids, it showed an increase of 27% of MPS from using steroids
  8. Protein is not need to be fully digested for the activation of MPS, protein above what is needed to activate MPS is oxidised nothing is "stored" unless we are talking about fat so what the muscle has is a mechanism where it triggers protein synthesis and then it immediately starts depleting that leucine out of the cell to get ready for the next meal. And so oxidation goes hand in hand with the anabolic response again please read the whole thread, as i have said many times it was my mistake to use "40g" as an example optimal is 2.5g of Leucine depending on protein source this can be achieved from 20-40g of protein as for your question IF is not an optimal way to go if lean tissue is your goal
  9. as i have said don't get stuck on the 40g this was my mistake last night its more about the leucine content in the protein source but the "time" has been discussed i have posted a graph of the swing between MPS and MPB in this thread but as @arbffgadm100 has posted 2-4hrs
  10. sorry mte i don't understand what you mean by time? MPS when activated it is still activated sorry not following the time thing?
  11. totally agree, i think it is a great topic for discussion (something the forum needs more of) we sort of went off in a tangent from the original question concerning needing more protein on a steroid cycle.....
  12. it was a mistake on my part to use a static number of 40g it is more important to consider Leucine threshold at 2.5g so 20-25g of whey protein would hit this threshold but protein from another source that is not as leucine-enriched would be more (maybe 40g) so look at it this way if you take .4g of protein per kg per meal you should be covered more is fine it is certainly not wasted (as more than muscle tissue uses protein)
  13. this would not make any difference to MPS buddy as when MPS is “spiked” in response to a protein feeding, it will drop back to baseline within 2–3 hours. This drop will occur regardless of whether protein or amino acids continue to be fed and leucine remains high. This is potentially due to high demand of ATP required by cells for MPS (i.e. MPS is an energy-expensive process and the cell will stop MPS to conserve energy)
  14. MPS is depressed during training but MPB remains unchanged during training it is not elevated, post training both MPS and MPB are elevated after exercise in the fasted state, when net muscle protein balance remains negative. Positive net balance is achieved only when amino acid availability is increased (so when you have a whey shake post workout), thereby raising MPS markedly. i don't think i said a 200lb man i think i said 1.5-2g of pro per lb, although i should have said Protein per KG not LB sorry for the confusion (this is what i get for posting when tired) MPS is not an absolute but studies have actually shown that MPS is not raised any higher once you have reached the Leucine threshold (approx 2.5g) this could come from 20-40g of protein depending on source, eating more would not increase MPS. i agree AAS will have an effect on MPS this study below showed a mean value increase of 27% AAS also lowers MPB so when on steroids the increase on MPS is 27% more than 2.5g of Leucine alone, a good amount but not a huge one, so steroids increase MPS when on cycle there is no need to increase protein for this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2917954/ your example shows frequency is not important to which i agree, if we are talking about 3 or 5 or more meals but 3 protein meals is far better than 1 protein meal, timing of these meals has an importance if you want to make the most out of your protein intake, in the morning or after a fast is important so you have a positive net protein balance as is post workout hit these and you are set........then eat the rest when you want. Of all the macronutrients, it seems that timing and distribution (versus simply total daily intake) is most important when it comes to protein. However, there are pragmatic examples of scenarios where we may not theoretically maximise MPS, yet still preserve and/or build plenty of muscle mass. For example, daily intermittent fasting. Dose is important because if your not making the most out of your opportunities to hit MPS then that's important for example If we take identical twins and they eat the same amount, let’s say 120 grams [of protein] in a day, but one of them eats four doses of 30g and the other one eats 10g, 30g, 70g, and 10g, then the argument would be that the first twin would have a better anabolic response for the day. And if he carried that out over a long period of time that the muscle gains would be better. That’s the theory. essentially no one that i know who trains eats less than 20g of protein per meal so this is all a mute point, the original statement was that when on steroids do you need to increase protein to increase muscle and the answer is no essentially the weight used is lean bodyweight but not many know this so people use just bodyweight
  15. i have a study for one done on 70yr olds, i need to read it again but i think they concluded as we age out of our 20's we need more