asim_nazir1

Hi,

Me and my brother have done a lot of research on this website over the past few weeks and learnd a lot!

I think its time to start asking some questions as we both have decided to do a H-Drol cycle in February.

Im 24 and my bro is 23 who has a higher bf! so hopefully it will interesting to see the results.
We've been training for a couple of years, with a good diet,

This is our planned cycle + PCT over 12 weeks

1 - Cycle Assist - Omega3
2 - Cycle Assist - Omega3
3 - Hdrol(50mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
4 - Hdrol(50mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
5 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
6 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
7 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
8 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
9 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3
10 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3
11 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3
12 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3

1. Do we need estrogen blocker whilst on H-Drol to control gyno or anything else?( ive read people get gyno whilst on H-drol before PCT)

2. Do we need multivitamins throughout the cycle or is it something that we should have anyway.

3. If we cant get hold of Nolva can we use OTC replacement? ( ive read M-drol requires Nolva and even Clomid, but H-drol you can get away with OTC PCT)

4. We dont eat geletin, which the H-drol Capsule is made from, can we take out the powder and mix with water or a protein shake?

5. Which taurine would you recommend(ive read you can get back pains on cycle), is it really needed with H-drol?

6. What is the protien carb and fat ratio? 40 40 20 or 30 50 20

7. How many litres of water?

Is there anything that is missing from our Hdrol cycle or the PCT and is there anything that we need to know,

Thanks for reading and replying.

BBWarehouse

In terms of your questions:


1. Do we need estrogen blocker whilst on H-Drol to control gyno or anything else?( ive read people get gyno whilst on H-drol before PCT)

No, the chance of gyno on H-Drol is miniscule imho. Most "gyno" cases reported on the US forums tend to be American teenagers poking their nipples worrying about it, to the extent their nipples become sore...

Obviously it is possible, and if you do begin to feel any lumps forming, stop the cycle and start PCT...but your chance of gyno on a mild DS like H-Drol that doesn't aromatise that much is tiny.

2. Do we need multivitamins throughout the cycle or is it something that we should have anyway.

You should have this anyways - just to ensure your diet is complete. However, don't use a multi-vitamin as an excuse to scrimp on a great diet.

Make sure:

- you get plenty of variety in your diet
- your diet includes fruit
- your diet includes veg
- its based around simple whole foods that are relatively unprocessed

This is a great plan for cutting:
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...o-cutting.aspx

This is good for bulking:
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/art...s-gaining.aspx

3. If we cant get hold of Nolva can we use OTC replacement? ( ive read M-drol requires Nolva and even Clomid, but H-drol you can get away with OTC PCT)

This is purely personal opinion, as different people bounce back differently...but imo yes, a good ATD / 6-bromo style product like:

- AN 2nd Gear
- iForce Reversitol
- Gaspari Novedex XT etc.

Would work for H-Drol. You've got to remember:

- PCT is a modern invention - prior to 1990....people didn't do it. Arnold, Sergio etc. never did PCT and look at the shape they attained and kept.
- H-Drol was originall brought out by Gaspari as "Halodrol" and "Novedex XT" developed as a PCT for that. Novedex XT is ATD based, and ATD is research proven to suppress estrogen and increase natural testosterone.

4. We dont eat geletin, which the H-drol Capsule is made from, can we take out the powder and mix with water or a protein shake?

This is an interesting one, I expect you can just pop the cap and swallow the contents - anyone know any issues with this?

5. Which taurine would you recommend(ive read you can get back pains on cycle), is it really needed with H-drol?

The pumps you CAN get are massive. If you do a lot of deadlifts or lower back work, it might be a problem. Some people are fine, some are not.

Things that help:

- Drink lots of water
- Stretch
- Taking a pre-workout drink with taurine in it (e.g. even Red Bull contains taurine, you could try 1 of those and see if it makes a difference before going whole hog and buying a taurine supplement)

6. What is the protien carb and fat ratio? 40 40 20 or 30 50 20

Depends on your goals - the two diets set out above in the links are good.

Your body will be able to use more protein than normal as it will be more anabolic, so feel free to increase protein from 1g per 1lb of bodyweight to 1.5g's or so - you'll see a benefit

7. How many litres of water?

There is no answer to this - depends on your body size and how much you sweat through the day. A simple way to tell if you're drinking enough is if your urine is "clear" at least once a day. If it is, you're fully hydrated

Hope that helps and good luck!

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Lex_BBW

You should be using Milk Thistle during your cycle not just during the PCT stage.

The job of Milk thistle is to help protect the liver as you are putting methylated products through your system when using the pro-hormone and Milk thistle helps to detoxify the liver and protect it.

nothing2fear

If you are going to take milk thistle on cycle then stagger when you take it as it can put additional strain on the liver.

Personally I dont run milk thistle on cycle, I drink plenty of cranberry juice and this is as effective mate.

asim_nazir1

Thanks BBWarehouse for answering my questions,

Ive got no choice but to take the powder out of the capsule(H-drol) but I dont know if I can mix it with my protien shake or just water?

Lex_BBW, we will be using CEL cycle assist which contains Milk Thistle, or is that not enough?

Thanks for the input guys,

nothing2fear

Ive done this with creatine before; just have a glass of water with some fruit juice in it and wash it down mate, cant see it being a problem

asim_nazir1

Thanks nothing2fear,

Ill just take it with my protein shake,

Coming back to Milk Thistle, should I not take the Cycle Assist then?

nothing2fear

Never used it personally but ive heard good things about it.

I personally just use cranberry juice for the liver and celery juice for BP... seem to do the trick for me

asim_nazir1

Right, so ill just use the Cycle assist as it seems like an all-in-one solution, with milk thistle, Hawthorn Berry, Celery Seed Extract, Grape Seed etc , so i wouldnt have to take them separately,

Thanks

nothing2fear

Yea just run with that mate, will be fine ... tbh a 6week cycle at reconmended doseages isnt going to cause you any liver damage (unless you have an underlying condition)... and obviously no alcohol whilst on cycle

Miike

Wrap the contents in a Rizla paper and then swallow.

I used to do this with powdered class a drugs in my youth

TheBigBang

I'm doing as much research as i can on PH and PCT and i am thinking about following a similar cycle.

Bit of a noob question really, but all the values listed below, i'm guessing would be taken on a daily basis, whether training or not.

1 - Cycle Assist - Omega3
2 - Cycle Assist - Omega3
3 - Hdrol(50mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
4 - Hdrol(50mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
5 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
6 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
7 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
8 - Hdrol(75mg) - Cycle Assist - Omega 3
9 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3
10 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3
11 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3
12 - Nolva(20mg) - Milk Thistle - T-Booster(Diesel)-Vitamins(Opti-Men) - Omega3

Also if i was to swap Nolva for Clomid would the values be the same, i.e 20mg?

Thanks in advance

asim_nazir1

yeah same dosage for the full week,
Just bought all the stuff and got epistane instead of h-drol, epistane is less liver toxic but in terms of gains is the same or maybe slighlty better,

got reversitol for the PCT, do you guys think its enough to control gyno etc?

Cluk89

i wouldnt of even bothered with the reversitol, OTC PCT isnt the way IMO, it is recommended that Nolva+Clomid are taken for PCT, although a short 6 week cycle will not be very supressive on the HTPA from the research i have done, so you could probably get away with out them, but not recommended in most cases.

I did a H drol cycle at the end of last year, i finished just before xmas, i loved it, and didnt really do a PCT, i got some Nolva only for PCT, but didnt end up sticking to taking them every day, i think i did a weeks worth, xmas and new year got in the way lol, when i got back in the gym i was a bit weak and my weight was down, but i dont blame that on not doing PCT, my xmas was full of not eating, not training and drinking heavily (and the rest), I know people will say you cannot tell if your shut down in any degree in some cases, but training, eating etc a week after new year was great, i feel no different to before i took the H drol, gaining well every week in terms of strength and size.

There is no way you will get gyno mate, H drol/epistane do not aromatize to estrogen.

round 2

Is 50-75mg alot for H-drol most other orals are 35-40mg?