punjabi786

Just some back ground,
I have just finished a course of Epistane, 30/40/40/50 and I am on day 3 of pct.
I am pleased with the gains however I think I am getting gyno in my left peck …….!!!!!!!!!!!! There Is no evidence of breast tissue or puffy nipples but I feel continuous burning sensation and occasional pulsating pain. This has extended abit to the right side!
Planned PCT is as follows:
Nolva:
Day1= 30mg
Day2-20= 20 mg
Day21-24=10mg

Clomid:
Day1-7= 100 mg
Day8-11=50mg

As of today (Day 3 0f PCT)I have upped the dose of Nolva to 40 mg and I am taking 200mg Vitamin B6 ED. The gyno could be cause of estrogen rebound, may be??!!!!!!
The thing is I am worried the gyno is progestern/prolactin related, so I have ordered some prami and should really be reducing Nolva and switiching to Clomid.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated, tell me I am hallucinating cause of clomid!

predatorN

Hi Punjabi

I have seen a few people mistake other symptoms for gyno in the past and think that neither of what you describe sounds that much like gyno at all. How does the actual region directly under the nipple region feel?

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punjabi786

directly under is fine but to the left side and top left its abit sore!

UKStrength

True gyno feels like a plastic tube directly beneath the nipple, it's very distinctive.

I've heard of these 'burning' symptoms before with Epistane and some have attributed to the strong anti-oestrogen effect of the compound. I personally didn't feel it and I dosed very high (50-60mg/day).

I wouldn't worry at all, definitely don't increase your dose of nolvadex, it'll probably do more harm than good.

punjabi786

Thanks UkStrength......was panicing lol!

Well I shall cut down to 20 mg of nolva tomorrow....lets see what happens!

PHHead

Its not very likely IMO that you will have got gyno form Epi but if you have then yes its most likely a oestrogen rebound effect happening.

Your PCT dosings as already mention seem a bit off though, if running a Nolva & Clomid PCT you should do something like below, theres no need for high Nolva doses!

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/20/20

Don't panic just see your PCT through in a controlled manner and don't ramp up doses everywhere and I'm sure you will be fine, if not though repost in the Steroid & Testosterone section of the board and the guys can help you plan what further steps to take.

Coop

I got gyno from epistane.

UKStrength

sorry to hear that mate, what was your cycle and PCT like?

punjabi786

Thanks for your help gentelmen! I shall explain what happened to me on the following days:

Day4

Clomid = 100 mg
Nolva= 30mg

Day5

Wok up in the morning to find burning sensation was gone

Clomid=100mg
Nolva- 30mg


Day6-10

Clomid = 50 mg

Nolva = 30 mg

I have found that once I reduced clomid the burning sensation returned but by now I knew I wasnt going to get gyno and wanted to keep the harsh medicen on the low side. Plus my boys are up and running, quite large now! ;)

It took me 2 further days to get rid of the returned burning sensation!

I guess the burning was due to the fact that epistane was very dry and partly due to excess estrogen v test levels!

I feel pretty good at the moment so I am planning on stopping clomid tomorrow but keep nolva at 30 mg for afew more days.

Reason for keeping nolva is its more potent than clomid as an anti estrogen but clomid is supposedly better at getting the boys up (which they are now)!
Nolva =30mg

PHHead

What you have said about way way Nolva and Clomid works is basically correct but IMO theres no way you will be fully recovered in 6 days and it would be a bad idea to drop the Clomid.

Honestly mate I know what I'm talking about and what your doing is all wrong, and also your balls becoming full again is no real indication that the HTPA is fully restored!

You need to ride out a full 4wks PCT then if the gyno is still present after that then thats when you will need to start taking high doses of Nolva or AI's, your priority right now is recovering your HTPA and playing about with your doses like your doing will not help.

Coop

I was on them less than 2 weeks. Hard to remember as it was about 18 months - 2 years ago but i didn't go over the top with dose ( worked upto 40mg a day max), into the second week my libido dropped through the floor and my right tit came up. I had no PCT as i was only expecting a very mild effect and it was advertised as being very anti Gyno.
I've never bothered with PHs' since.

punjabi786

Alright PHHead I am going to run clomid and Nolva for 28 days!

The wierd thing is that burning sensation keeps coming back....even though today i felt so dried out running nolva at 30 mg!!!!! Cant understand why really!